[geocentrism] Re: What went wrong to cause it.

That is not to say that the temporal values will be lost or abandoned. They 
exist in non Christian non Jewish non Islamic -- lumped together as pagan I 
suppose -- societies anyway. The values I speak of are utilitarian and will be 
discovered by any society eventually with or without 'divine revelation'.   
Paul D.

This is not so Paul, based upon your own false concepts or those on whom you 
have faith by consensus. 

Not even the most pagan of societies destroyed their offspring in the way that 
this "antiChristian reaction against Christ" society is doing. You justify it 
as "The values I speak of are utilitarian "   .Because perhaps you believe this 
false science and economy is correct in claiming this world is overpopulated..

The reality is that all of these millions of abortions are entirely due to a 
hedonistic society bathing in pleasure whilst denying to accept any 
responsibility for the cost or consequences. Pure selfish greed. Saving the 
planet never enters their mind. 

Only a healthy fear of an eternal Hell keeps people moral., and even that is 
tenuous. 

Philip. 
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  From: Paul Deema 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:08 PM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: What went wrong to cause it.


  Philip M

  I missed the incongruity you highlight. Caught me he did. However I counter 
with the observation that many words in language are contractions of earlier 
expressions. Contemporary example (in advertising commercials)  " ... 
Australia's favourite air! " (For those not living in this fair land -- for air 
read 'air conditioning'). Also "Put it in the microwave for 30 seconds," or "I 
saw it on the television." Microwave receiver? Television transmitter? I think 
you get the picture.


  The council of Nicaea interests me because it is the forum which gave such 
weight to the views of Paul the Roman while sidelining Luke the Greek and 
others. It is from such random events that history is made and religious dogma 
develops. Had Luke et al been more politically acceptable in a Roman world, 
surely Christianity today would be quite different.



  For the record, I'm not an "... antiCatholic antichrist, antiGod self 
confessed athiest ... " as you say. You would be aware of the difference 
between passive and active support for a given action. 'Anti' implies active. 
Somewhere in my memory of Sunday mornings, there is the recollection of a 
homily which drew attention to ... Jesus said "If they are not for us they are 
against us," and at another time ... Jesus said "If they are not against us 
they are for us." I just think that as people become better educated, more 
widely read, they will see religion for the invention that it is and support 
for it will decline further till eventually it will pretty much lose its 
influence in the world. That is not to say that the temporal values will be 
lost or abandoned. They exist in non Christian non Jewish non Islamic -- lumped 
together as pagan I suppose -- societies anyway. The values I speak of are 
utilitarian and will be discovered by any society eventually with or without 
'divine revelation'.



  Paul D






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  From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Friday, 9 January, 2009 7:39:18 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: What went wrong to cause it.

   
  Oh how they hate the Cross... Shame on you Paul. They , even Rome, who would 
help promote the lies, any lie, to change the tradition of a cross support the 
Jewish High Priest, who denied He was the King of the Jews..  There is no 
evidence other than some writings which need not be valid, to support your 
charge. Some even call the cross a tree. 

  All of the scripture you quoted contradicts your final assertion,

  "It was written on a board and nailed to the crossbeam above Jesus' head 
giving rise to the erroneous notion that He was hung on a 'cross'."  

  read it again...  "And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. ..."

  Not the crossbeam..  

  Its strange to me that you an antiCatholic antichrist, antiGod self confessed 
athiest suddenly leaps to the defence of a jew loving, jew supporting 
antiCatholic Pope..  ????Or is it? not so strange after all. 

  Nice to know you are reading all our religious stuff..  Hope for you abounds. 
You should revisit your catechism, before these protties get you...  lol....  

  In geocentrism's name, 

  Philip. 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Paul Deema 
    To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:42 PM
    Subject: [geocentrism] Re: What went wrong to cause it.


    Peter C
    As I understand it, the Romans crucified people by attaching the condemned 
to a cross beam which was then placed on top of a pole. That was all that was 
needed, and it cost less. If they wanted the condemned to linger, a seat and/or 
footrest was sometimes provided.
    When Jesus was crucified, Pilate "... wrote a title and put it on the cross 
... "
    19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing 
was JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
    19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was 
crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and 
Latin.
    19:21 Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The 
King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.
    19:22 Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.
     (King James Bible, John)
    Today this is given as INRI -- the Latin initialism for 
IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM (Jesus Nazarenus, rex Judæorum). It was written on 
a board and nailed to the crossbeam above Jesus' head giving rise to the 
erroneous notion that He was hung on a 'cross'.
    Paul D






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    From: PETER CHARLTON <peter.nambo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Thursday, 8 January, 2009 5:18:18 PM
    Subject: [geocentrism] Re: What went wrong to cause it.


    I read that when the Jews where kicked out of Spain, the Sanhedrin told 
Jews to convert to Catholisism, in order to subvert it.
    The current Pope looks rather Jewish with his skull cap, ephod for the 12 
tribes of Israel, and notice that his crucifix is now a blatent " T ", not even 
pretening to be a cross but the sacred T of the Sun God Tammuz who the Jewish 
Women used to weep over.

    Pete Charlton


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