Re my last post. In case someone asked, or missed it, of course it is the whole of creation that is rotating around the central earth. From the beginning of "time, (creation)" to the consumation. This is why the "aether" must rotate with it. This does raise an objection for others who state that the plenum, (if it is the aether) does not penetrate the earth. The aether must penetrate to the centre of the earth as we have sub terranian electromagnetic effects. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [geocentrism] metaphysical stuff this aether. Alen said, Although Energy and mass can be equivalent they do not behave alike. Phil responds. That is close to what I am trying to say, as regards different "types" of physical phenomena. But your use of "equivalent " is confusing. In what way can they be equivalent? Matter and energy are different states. And each in itself has different states. My understanding of the word, shown below does not seem to fit your statement,except I think you may mean the No 1 definition in the sense that all matter can be converted. . . 1 : equal in force, amount, or value; also : equal in area or volume but not admitting of superposition <a square equivalent to a triangle> 2 a : like in signification or import b : having logical equivalence <equivalent statements> 3 : corresponding or virtually identical especially in effect or function 4 obsolete : equal in might or authority 5 : having the same chemical combining capacity <equivalent quantities of two elements> 6 a : having the same solution set <equivalent equations> b : capable of being placed in one-to-one correspondence <equivalent sets> c : related by an equivalence relation synonym see SAME Strangely enough when you said, "The aether would serve as the primary conduit for electromagnetic energy" You came fairly close to what I invisaged when I said in another post that the present (of our subjective experience), was indeed always compressed either side by the material of the future and the past. It is this inbetween state that we call the aether, and in which we subjectively travcl, and which is the conduit that carries the electromagnetic phenomena.. (meaning all fields of this nature.) This pressure also is responsible for inertia. I will try to clarify exactly what I consider the aether to be. It is not a physical thing. It is not matter or energy states. It is a condition or property of the created universe. As for example , pressure is a property of depth in the ocean, pressure is not a thing, but a condition caused by depth. Similarly the aether. It is a property of the "being" of the created universe. I have said hypothetically, that it is a property of the fourth dimension of this universe, which can be "felt" by electromagnetic phenomena, but not seen or felt mechanically, by us because we are three dimensional sensory beings. This is a temporal phenomenon. How else can we explain prophecy, and the words, "Before Abraham was born, I AM." Powerful science in those words as in much of scripture. Philip.