I don't understand your comment below. Your sure its a viable alternative? It's not a viable alternative! If it were there would be no point in discussing it! Jack Dear jack. If you re-read me correctly, you can see that it is viable as an alternative for scientific discussion. This does not mean it happened that way. We believe it didn't. I say the exact same thing as regards the heliocentrism debate, although the potential of proving our aether involvement in matter is still also a viable alternative for geocentrism. As a means of converting a scientist or any ordinary person with reasonable intelligence, in to accepting the word of God as true, then I agree most definitely there is no point in the discussion. Both sides of the evolution debate are theoretical and as such, and only for that reason, worthy of discussion. Let me offer an example to clear up my meaning and use of viable alternative. In faith we believe that Lazarus was truely dead and that the body was already corrupting, when jesus brought him back to life. A viable alternative for discussion is that Lazarus was merely in a coma, a hypnotic state known as ...... where the vital signs are near zero, and he only appears to be dead. This is a viable alternative because it is a theoretical probability in science and happens reasonably often. Given that we can produce no direct provable evidence of this event, it cannot be used as proof that God exists, or that the Bible is His word. Therefore, indeed from a scientific point of view it is a pointless discussion if your motive or objective is to prove God raised Lazarus from the dead, or that there is a God. You, and everybody else apparently, have consistently avoided my challenge that God , by His own word, created an old or aged world. This validates the evolutionists and Pauls claim of an aged world beyond 10,000 years. That their speculations on this age may be varied and possibly erroneous has no bearing on the fact that it is or was much older than the nominal 7,000 years given at creation. To prove creation, you need to prove the existence of God first, and finding "speculative flaws" in evolution, which the science admits is part and parcel of the learning process of science, is definitely not the way to go about that. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Lewis To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: excuse my paranoia Dear Philip, Of course I'm biased, but not against true science. I don't understand your comment below. Your sure its a viable alternative? It's not a viable alternative! If it were there would be no point in discussing it! Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism list Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: excuse my paranoia Not me. I am absolutely certain that evolution is a viable alternative as to how we arrived today. I just happen to know with certainty that it did not happen that way, and that the world has existed no more than 10,000 years and probably less. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.31/1031 - Release Date: 26/09/2007 12:12 PM