Re the cancellation of my list addresses Neville if it is not done please relax and cancel my application for a while I see problems needing to be sorted.. that I forgot about.. Philip ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:33 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Dinosaurs It will be a very deep topic if you want to continue, we seem to have fused psychology, science, spirituality, emotions, love, evolution and dinosaurs combined with a little music all in one! Verdi, yes he is ok, but the beer songs, not my taste! Feel free. I affirm by saying this, the heart should not be repressed. On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:40:58 +0100, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Nice letter Steven.. Mind you I had tongue in cheek on the floating > dinosaurs.. Maybe I should have used a crocodile rather than a Lizard.. > So in practical terms all the dinos if there were any, died with the > flood. Then there is the evidence of the frozen mastodons in > Siberia... allegedly extinct 10,000years ago. > > Steven I have another correspondent who is always on about " the heart" > which I interpret as emotionally inclined. Their heart rules their > head..... glands rule the Brain. I consider this to be a racial trait. > Huns (I must descend from them) can control this weakness. Latins , > cannot, and always react in an uncontrollable way, sometimes killing > things or people who get in the way. Maybe Arabs jews and blacks > likewise. > > I was trained from birth to kill the heart, and resist even the > slightest tendency to display such a weakness as emotion.. Its always > been easy. The true meaning of heart in spiritual terms is the soul as > "centre" of the human psyche, and this can be controlled or affected by > the glands of emotion, or the will of the mind. It is only through this > latter action that charitas, (love of God) can be truely attained, and > must come first, before any charism, if allowed , can be deserved. > > But not entirely... I have no argument with the emotional heights one > can reach when listening to Verdi, my favourite of the classics.. Not > to mention of course those stirring German beer drinking songs.. which > make me friendly with all my enemies, after the beer of course.. > > Philip. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Jones > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:45 AM > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Dinosaurs > > > Flood like conditions that you say a dinosaur could ride out for a > year: > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_u5KrcsPQ > > Here a cruise liner (without engines) has entered beam sea, the most > dangerous sitation for any boat. Bare in mind, this is not a “North > Atlantic Storm”. > > Steven. > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:14:51 +0100, Steven Jones <midclyth@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > Sorry Phillip, but to suggest that dinosaurs didn’t need to board the > > ark because they could survive the ocean is simply untenable. Whilst > > it’s true modern secular knowledge believes that many species bathed > in > > water and even almost totally submersed themselves, it is in much the > > same way that Elephants and Hippopotamus’s do in modern day Africa. > Put > > simply, that is to say that they either need a supporting riverbed > > underneath their feet (security) or they can “paddle” but not for > long. > > Take Brachiosaurus for example, coming in at about 35 tonnes > > (Christiansen 1997), built for land, and a very slow mover, there is > > simply no way this creatures morphology could cope with being out in > an > > ocean for long, ask yourself how long a modern day African elephant > > would last if air-lifted and placed in the sea? A terrible cruelty of > > course, and instead you expect me to believe that an 82-feet beast > can > > ride out the floodwaters for almost a year? What about it’s food? > > Brachiosaurus ate no fish; his long slender neck was used for pine > and > > other type trees, crunching needles and all that with powerful molars > > “built” for such. > > > > Regarding developing from a little lizard, sorry too, but there are > no > > connection links. We are expected to believe that fish that could > barely > > walk would somehow develop into all the vast and complex animal types > > that are dinosaurs? I would be very dubious of a dinosaur missing > link. > > There is much forgery in the world of dinosaurs as it is, let alone > > this. “New” species have already come into being in the past by > simply > > mixing and matching bones. Remember too, many of these fossils have > to > > be constructed and different constructors will of course have > different > > ideas. The bones are not always found in order. Even how they should > > stand has changed, Iguanodon for example, is a classic illustration. > I > > believe the modern view to be correct, but it highlights different > > interpretations. In short, all of this bone pick-and-mixing is > > deceiving, and there is no real evidence for any evolution amongst > the > > dinosaurs anywhere. I’ve even forgotten to mention the financial > drive > > too of putting more “exotic” creatures on displays in the museums of > the > > 19th century. The famous “bone wars” of ED Cope and OC Marsh, is a > great > > example. Two businessmen shaping American science, with perhaps > forgery > > at the best of times, but did it make money? It’s sad when people > spend > > their lives studying the fossils of forgery’s, Piltdown man has been > > shown to be a hoax now say, but for those that studied him? Well, > they > > just can’t let go. > > > > Open your eyes to divine design Phillip, it’s simple and clear to > see. > > And what about the spirit? How do evolutionists explain this? We are > > according to them only physical, some kind of chemical conglomerate > > thinking machine, but that is rubbish. We have a heart, a spirit, > and a > > soul. My own experiences prove there is a God, but your probably > > unlikely to receive anything without the right heart. God desires > each > > and everyone of us to seek him out and we must be looking in the > first > > place. Music to me too is deeply spiritual. And composers have always > > been striving for new sounds and ideas, at the cutting edge of > > innovation, that innovation did not spring about by chance. Even > > wind-chimes (which I find annoying anyway) are thought out to be less > > intrusive. It could be a pentatonic scale so the notes are less > likely > > to clash, what if it were pure chaos I ask you? Do you think it will > be > > worthy of notation? > > > > Steven. > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:00:29 +0100, philip madsen > <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > wrote: > > > >> Dinosaurs would not need to have gotten onto the ark now Steven > would > >> they? Wern't they natural water beasts? They could have floated > around > >> on the sea eating fish, which likewise suffered little from the > flood. > >> > >> Just wondering. But then maybe they developed from a little lizard, > >> which Noah could easily have accomodated. You see we can accept > Darwins > >> theory, in that Tigers developed after the flood from Mrs. Noah's > pussy > >> cat. > >> > >> Lets all keep in mind as well that fossil dating is pure guess > work... > >> > >> Philip. > >> Mastodons > >> The American mastodon (scientific name Mammut americanum) roamed > North > >> America from at least 3.75 million to 11,000 years ago. Mastodons, > >> along with mammoths and modern elephants, are members of the order > >> Proboscidea. As adults they stood between 2.5 and 3 meters (8-10 > feet) > >> at the shoulder and weighed betweeen 3500 and 5400 kilograms (4-6 > tons). > >> > >> Mastodons became extinct approximately 11,000 years ago. Today, > >> paleontologists are trying to understand why. > >> > >> But, but but.... > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Steven Jones > >> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:39 AM > >> Subject: [geocentrism] Dinosaurs > >> > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Just while we’re touching upon the topic of dinosaurs, I would > like > >> to say > >> I was once a very big hobbyist concerning them, collecting vast > >> quantities > >> of secular data and both reading and learning it avidly. But, > times > >> haves > >> changed rathRe: [geocentrism] Re: Evolutioner substantially, I was > >> significantly younger then and I’ve grown in spirit concerning > God. > >> The > >> following statement I hope is not too radical, but I have come to > >> question > >> many of the species labeled as "dinosaurs" entirely. After all, > how > >> many > >> of you have actually seen a real fossilized dinosaur skeleton? The > >> answer > >> is probably none, since almost every museum has only plaster > casts on > >> display. This all suggests a rather large mass conspiracy, but > how do > >> the > >> skeletons look so realistic you ask? It’s often mooted in the > secular > >> world that birds descended the evolutionary path from dinosaurs, > why > >> do > >> they believe such? It’s simple, because many dinosaur fossils have > >> similar > >> structures to birds. Could this not be because the plastercasts > are > >> really > >> based upon birds in the first place. Meet the real Tyrannosaurus > rex, > >> probably an enlarged chicken skeleton, with a massive skull and > tail > >> added > >> plus two pointless little arms. This, iconic and typical > “ultimate” > >> monster is so similar to those "classic" beasts and dragons > dreamed > >> up by > >> man’s imagination that perhaps it is only an element of the > >> imagination. > >> And don’t be fooled into thinking this 5-7 tonne beast is an agile > >> hunter, > >> because it does have some serious flaws with it’s morphology. The > >> balancing act required for that huge skull, the pointless little > arms > >> which can’t even pick teeth and even the art of getting up after > >> sleeping > >> are all a bit suspicious. Computer models have demonstrated I > believe > >> that > >> this is not an easy balancing act. Any beast seeing the site of > those > >> teeth coming along would be away as fast as lightning, making > hunting > >> nearly impossible, don't believe 35 mph, sorry, even modern > results > >> are > >> showing 17.9 mph at best. You'll need RealPlayer for the computer > >> simulation video link below: > >> > >> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_6950000/newsid_6958000?redirect=6958025.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1&asb=1 > >> > >> Anyway, there are only thoughts for the time being, but it is > >> interesting > >> to further add that it wasn’t always the case that dinosaurs were > >> thought > >> to have lived and “ruled the Earth” in their own right 65,000,000 > >> years > >> ago. Many museums of the 19th century put abundant evidence of the > >> co-existence of dinosaurs and man on display. If someone is going > to > >> challenge me on this, they are most welcome. > >> > >> Former dinosaur expert, > >> > >> Steven. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1021 - Release Date: > >> 21/09/2007 2:02 PM > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.28/1023 - Release Date: > 22/09/2007 1:27 PM > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1025 - Release Date: 23/09/2007 1:53 PM