Neville. I will go along with everything you say here. Just look at how easily and completely most of the "promoted" scientific world has gone along with the two greatest lies of the Ozone hole joke and the Greenhouse hoax. No not the greatest lies, The greatest was the big New Milennium Celebrations LIE. That was when the Prince of liars knew they had full control. The whole popular scientific world welcomed in the new milennium a year early. And I think my math is bad. For those interested here is what I sent out at the time. Before the end of the 20th Century. Philip. The first year, Year 0001 AD (of Our Lord) was the first year of the new Milennium. then was 1901 and 2001.......... The biggest LIE in history. A private analysis by a Catholic. Not authorised by the RC Church, (nor the harlot prostituting it) The 21st Century Hoax. What is the driving force behind the obstinate media refusal to bow to the clamor of thousands around the world who know and proclaim the truth, backed up and supported by the very people whose job it is to count time, the Royal Observatory at Greenwich, or the US Naval observatory in the United States. I'm talking about a very simple arithmetic truth. i.e. The 21st Century is one year away. We are still in the 20th century. It is my opinion that there are two quite separate forces driving this mania. Yes it is still being proclaimed. We are in the 21st century. Repeat the lie enough, and people will end up believing it. Obviously the appeal to greed is one cause, and indeed in this world of mammon, a difficult cause to overcome. I could easily understand a friend of mine when he said, "They are going to give me a special bonus of $2000, to work on the evening of the dawn of the New Millennium or 21st Century. I' m not going to rock the boat. It's a bloody good lie." Multiply that by the perhaps millions around the world. Why are the owners of money so anxious to part so easily with so much of it? Well there was the other side of the coin. They stood to make much more, in fact billions out of this lie. How many people bought a commemorative coin made with silver (cost $20) for $1000, or a commemorative stamp? The list is a very long one. But this is not my thrust here. We all can understand the lure of filthy lucre. I perceive a much more dangerous force behind this error. It was much too universal in every country of the world, to have happened naturally because of greed, even organised greed. I believe there was and is an OCCULT reason for having the party a year earlier. Millenniums, meaning the "last year of", "the reaching the end thereof", AD1000, and AD2000 always evoked feelings of dread, "the doomsday effect." A good time for astrologers, soothsayers and would be prophets. AD1000 did not worry the educated Christians of that time, because their studies indicated that none of the conditions were universally attained. A major one being the restoration of the nation of Israel and the Temple. Of course there were disturbances and fears among the not so educated, (like today) which got transmitted down to the ordinary people. This Millennium though, IS different. We have universal communication. We have Israel as a nation. We have a universal Apostasy. We have unbridled immorality that makes Sodom a church, in every nation. Now I will be mentioning private/public revelation at the end, but first I will stick to history, and use a little scripture as support. Why did I say Occult forces? Well first of all lets us see what results in religious terms from this big lie. Now some of it may be a good result. We do have a multitude of religions and sects, Christian and others, fanatically obsessed with the end of the millennium. If these have believed the lie, then their disillusionment (nothing happened) will cause them to return to normal or Godless lives. I wish here to ask those who have no religion to at least look at the logic as if there was a God, that His Bible is His word, and that true to form He will not accept democratically decided decisions from any mere man here on earth, not even from His own established Church, which I personally believe to be the Roman Catholic Church. (Not necessarily the present government in the Vatican.) Why did I ask that? Well we cannot discuss an occult thing without a base to work from. From this base the following premise may be established. There are two occult forces in the world. God who demands fear, suffering, and sacrifice for an eternal reward in Heaven. The other, Lucifer who encourages prosperity, pleasure, and an easy life for an eternal reward in Hell. From the biblical point of view in this discussion we accept the existence of Satan. Now the sects etc. mentioned above are already in his camp. But what about the many others, the ordinary confused good people, (the uneducated lay people) as in AD1000. This time being lead by this universal teacher, this uneducated pseudo scientific elite, in control of and operating the Radio/TV networks and major Newspapers of the world? This time also MAY JUST WELL BE the end times. From the Bible almost everything fits. NOW stop there. This is NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. We are talking about the "end times" which could last a generation or longer. These "end times" include great chastisements among other. Millions of people who had hoped in the promises of this millennium, finding themselves disillusioned by the big lie become easy victims to Satan, perhaps losing their fear of God, and their faith in Him. "We worried for nothing! We are in a NEW age. Everything is going to be fine." That is my justification for claiming an occult reason for the "big lie" The Bible calls this end times the age of lies. Satan is called the "prince of lies" When I have witnessed the pseudo scientists promoting in this order, "the nuclear winter' (after the desert storm oil fires), the Ozone hole LIE (a good lie my brother told me) the greenhouse hoax. Can you believe the world is getting hotter while the winters are getting colder, and I am presently in Queensland Australia unable to go swimming because my pool is still too cold. This is January 2000 and all the blankets are still on the bed. Peking man and Piltdown man (proven fakes) are still being used to support the religion of evolution. The list of lies is also endless. Is it any wonder the Mars probe failed? One slip of the finger on a calculator and our modern scientist is stuffed. He is incapable of doing simple arithmetic in his head. Now none of you should take any thing I have written above seriously without making some verification of evidence. Otherwise this is only the raving of another religious fanatic or zealot. I am neither, to my shame. I have great difficulty in accepting God, Jesus, and His teaching. I am a weak normal beer drinking happy sinner. I actually wish that Heaven was an earthly paradise, but like I said I have the evidence that there is a God, and I dare not tell Him what's what. As I mentioned above. There just ain't any democracy in Heaven. Full Stop. My evidence? One word. FATIMA. It is available to all. Only the most proud fundamentalist Protestant who hates the Catholic Church from its foundation will not look at this evidence. Even the present hierarchy of the New Order Vatican hates this evidence, and represses it, lies about it, and persecutes any Catholic who promotes it. The clickable links are here in blue for you to check out my sources and verify what I have just said. I am not going to use this space to tell you about Fatima other than this. In 1917 a miracle was witnessed on earth over a radius of 50 miles (forecast in advance) before in excess of 70,000 people, that made the biblical splitting of the sea to let the Israelites escape from the Egyptians, look like a picnic. This is all documented by the secular media, but don't wait for them to tell you about it today. What I have to say about it is this. The principle seer is still alive. She was promised to see the end (or the beginning of it) of her Marian prophecies. "Entire nations will be annihilated" This was all to occur (meaning begun.) before the end of the 20th CENTURY. No one knows the actual duration of the chastisement. We are told it will be mitigated eventually, but too late for many. According to you the readers of this who believe the Radio/TV/Newspapers, and the Hierarchy of Rome, (who are a party to the big lie) the 20th century is over. We are in the new age. All is well. Friendly Aliens from intergalactic space were responsible for what happened at Fatima. I'm not joking. That story has been media propagated. But Sister Lucy is still alive. God does not watch any TV channels. According to the Greenwich Observatory, He still has almost one year to fulfill his promises, before the end of the 20th Century. Stay tuned. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: The planets Dear Jack, NASA have spent an enormous amount of tax-payers money on virtual reality computer systems. Why would an agency, supposedly only interested in space science, want to develop virtual reality computer systems? NASA collaborates with other institutes on the analysis of data allegedly coming back from its probes. Great. No problem. Then why can these other institutes not just pick up the signals from these probes themselves? ALL data is supplied to them by NASA, at up to three months after they have supposedly received it. NASA is the single, largest obstacle standing in the way of people questioning what they are taught about the universe, our "place" in the universe, organic evolution, etc. The answer to your question is that, yes, it is easy to fake, because in the last days people are WILLINGLY IGNORANT. Hollywood, another American abomination, fakes things all the time. Take Jurassic Park, for instance. The effects in that film were so "good" that my daughter literally jumped out of her seat when the raptor leapt up at the children going through the hole into the ceiling. Had that film have "come" from one of NASA's imaginary probes, then what would millions of gullible and willingly ignorant people have believed. NASA is obsessed with aliens and water everywhere. Given the systems they are developing, it is only a matter of time before either they go one step further, or someone opens the can of worms. Neville. Jack Lewis <jandj.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dear Neville, I watched a short 10 minute programme last night about Jupiter. Much use was made of NASA's footage from so-called various probes. I'm finding it difficult to believe that the various scientists who study the 'data' including what appeared to be an active volcano on one of its moons are analysing fabricated data. Is it that easy to fake it? Jack --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!