That search also revealed Donald Simanek's site. I'm sorry you feel the way you do concerning his essay. I've been to his site many times and always found his thoughts to be on the money. Paul. Hmm. thats probably the reason you are haveing so much trouble arriving at the truth...which isn't always on the money.. Grin. ok yes he did make a correction for the magnetic drag or pull back as the ball dropped, which did give me pause to think, yet he reasoned without verification, based on antipathy, that this drag was equal in total to the kinetic energy of acceleration added to the lifting potential energy. This as observed does not appear to be the case in the demonstration shown by Naudins measuring ramp/ I am not above suspecting fraud, but Naudin seems to have made some nice machines, if they are real.. Re{ The fact that I can think of that means that someone else should have thought of it long ago and industry should now be powered by them. The fact that this isn't so just bears out what Donald S says about these devices. Not necessarily so. The power gain is so negligible that all of us recognise it only as a toy. and is probably why none has bothered to go that far with it. The same is true of my proposed power of convection currents, (gravity) which works, but is not practical as a motor on the scale models, but works good in nature for the production of hydroelectric power. Not to be rejected, of course, though you believe in the impeccability of big business, who would NEVER conspire, (yes sarcasm) it is most likely that any patent that works is bought out and never sees the light of day.. search fo those guys who made cars to run on water and see how many died in mysterious circumstances. Sorry, but you are naive when it comes to big money, in particular those legal counterfieters who create it out of thin air? Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 6:06 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: SMOT et al Philip M Despite a decade or more of internet access, I'm afraid that Google is still not my first reaction when I'm confronted by something new which I know is not in my books. 'smot' is such a case. I found it after I had posted to you initially on this subject and found http://jnaudin.free.fr... site but not the page detailing the gyroscope. I'm impressed by the elegance of his design and if I can find the time, I'd love to build one. I'd add a laser pointer and mirror arrangement to permit very long pointers and thus accurate and short response time measurements. Moving the centre of gravity up to the centre of suspension I think would also be useful. That search also revealed Donald Simanek's site. I'm sorry you feel the way you do concerning his essay. I've been to his site many times and always found his thoughts to be on the money. Have you looked at http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm#cheng? Scroll down to The Gravity Shield Engine. I was impressed. This whole area of unworkable devices is rewarding I think. Regarding his debunking of the 'smot' device. If it really works as you suggest, then you should be able to make a ring of them, five would probably be enough, such that as the ball falls from one (with its height gain) and drops into the next, then the next etc, you should be able to make the ball go around the ring forever -- or at least.until it wears out. The fact that I can think of that means that someone else should have thought of it long ago and industry should now be powered by them. The fact that this isn't so just bears out what Donald S says about these devices. Paul D Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/743 - Release Date: 2/04/2007 4:24 PM