[geocentrism] Re: On the flywheel
- From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:54:22 +0000 (GMT)
Philip M
I am looking forward to the results of your tests because I believe -- oops! I
am very confident -- that you will show that common garden variety high school
Newtonian physics will show Aspden to be in error.
I suggest that you don't really require to time how long the process takes ie
til the wheel stops turning, but just how long it takes the weight to fall say
three feet. Aspden says it will spin up more quickly the second time (if close
to the first time). If the difference is small -- I gained the impression that
it is supposed to be large -- averaging may be necessary. You could fill in the
time between runs with another pull at your stein. That would make the whole
process more enjoyable! But do take care that your counting ability is not
impaired won't you!
I'd like to do it myself you know, but though the process is simple (if the
apparatus is before you on the bench) but if it is not, it is a semi major
undertaking. I'm afraid that is what has slowed my progress at demonstrating
the Earth's rotation in real time. I'd have to build the apparatus.
Paul D
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism list <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2008 7:56:47 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] On the flywheel
Paul I said before that your string and weight idea was spot on.. I remembered
my Duncan & Starling 1954, edition, Hey I was exactly 20 when I paid Two pounds
nine shillings and ninepence for it. the experimen listed for all students to
do puts Aspden in the dreamtime category.. I cant see it any other way.
Basically we have a frame say 3ft high H with a large flywheel on a shaft at
top. A weight M is on the end of the string which is wound round the shaft and
allowed to drop. The drop is timed, the number of turns is noted during the
drop, and the number of turns thereafter till the wheel stops is counted.. then
all of the energy equations are worked out beginning at MgH ..
Ignoring all the rest, the point is that everybody had to make the drop several
times and time each drop, taking an average..
If there was any major deviation on the second and third drop according to
Aspden, SURELY one of the lads who come from the age where how to think and not
what to think was compulsory, would have raised an alarm?
We are talking major deviation here. Assuming Aspden is correct and should
perhaps the first drop be ignored simply because the rest all came would come
close to identical, and the averaging out reduced the amount of the anomaly, we
still would have measured work done by the flywheel after it was powered
showing a gain over input.. Unless perhaps they just put it down to bearing
losses being less than what they really were..
As much as I am reluctant to admit that students and graduates of the 40's-
50's era and earlier could make such mistakes, such as I would expect from the
illiterates of today, to give Aspden the benefit of the doubt, I feel I must
still do the experiment, but I may be wasteing my time if it wasn't for the
beer in my hand..
Will keep ya all informed.. too much at stake.. What with my solar
installation, and my monitoring of waste, I have already gotten my quarterly
power consumption down from 3,500 kwh to under 2000kwh. Since December what
with the wet season cloud and all Ive gotten nearly 400kwh from the sun, and
saved much more by putting clothes on instead of the airconditioner. (my wifes
suggestion) Just wait till I get my wind extraction machine on line. I just
hate wearing anything more than my shorts.
Phil..
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