You'll have to be more specfic.. .? 1. the only star trails seen are the nightly due to a nightl rotaion about an axis and the observers change to that axis 2. the solar axis is a real not imaginary axis in the HC/AC construct 3. in the HC/AC contruct the same reasons that produce nightly ones must produce an annual deviation from the nightly ..same action, same stars same thing only differnce is wich direction the real annual axis is pointing to but it is just as real as the nightly is 4 there is no deviation from the nightly roation no mater how you turn, twist or flip a camera...there is no reason that can be givne to support the idea that the annual would not be discerable that would not just a euqaly apply to the nightly trails...if the nightly trails produce so too must the annual for the exact same reasons.....but they dont thus it does not exist........ that is all those drawings show is how the two axis are real and fucntion identicaly the same any reason to negat one would negate the other and any reason fthat demands ones existance demands the others existaince....... philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: No realy phil you must have two sets of star trails on two differnt axis..... what are you having difficulty with? No difficulty Allen, I just deny that ^ in the sense you say it. Angles of view merely alter the perspective (aspect) of the same movement.. It all about photography Allen Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Daves To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts (Supplemenmtary) No realy phil you must have two sets of star trails on two differnt axis..If Regner is laughing it must be because he now relizes just how silly the HC/AC construct realy is.....what are you having difficulty with? philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Allen D OK -- I've looked at your drawings -- I'll address the issues tomorrow. Keep thinking though 'cos I think I will convince you that you have definately missed something. Paul D You must be joking Allen.. Paul too... Regner must be having a big laugh.. Phil. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:03 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts (Supplemenmtary) Allen D OK -- I've looked at your drawings -- I'll address the issues tomorrow. Keep thinking though 'cos I think I will convince you that you have definately missed something. Paul D --------------------------------- National Bingo Night. Play along for the chance to win $10,000 every week. Download your gamecard now at Yahoo!7 TV. --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.18/1104 - Release Date: 1/11/2007 6:47 PM --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.19/1105 - Release Date: 2/11/2007 11:04 AM