Paul Deema wrote: Explain to me how you used these four processes( observational data, our senses, physical experiments, and logic ) to substantiate your assertion. Later perhaps we can address the next point. Paul,Please see my webpage compilation at: http://sites.google.com/site/earthdeceptionand two of the links:1. www.realityreviewed.com2. www.fixedearth.com then print out every page, then read every page,then rest two weeks, then read every page again. And if that doesn't convince you of Geocentric Correctnessthen what will? Quote:"But the sun circles me, I do not see me circling the sun." Bernie