Just a twaddle worth thinking about in all this.. Phil. Conservation of energy There is such a thing as conservation of energy. However our understanding of the concept is largely incomplete. By negating the idea of an ether, which I called "space background" (4), we have limited our conception of energy to that which is observable on the purely physical plane. All electric and magnetic as well as gravitational phenomena however, are not purely physical. They require for their understanding a conception of a higher-dimensional space background, which is, to use the term of Moray, a "sea of energy". Conservation of energy in the current form of understanding is a useless concept, as it negates the existence of this giant reservoir of energy, and does not take into account the constant interchange (through the phenomena of electricity, magnetism and gravitation), of our world of physical existence with that reservoir. Generation of electrical energy through magnetism for example, is not limited to the mechanical motive power applied to a generator and the movement of electrons through a wire, but involves a complex exchange between space background and physical machinery. In this context, it may be profitable to remember a statement that Robert Meyer (5) made in connection with the concept of conservation of energy. He said: "Seeing gravity as the cause of the falling of things, we talk about gravitation and thereby overlook, that an essential characteristic of any ëforceí (energy) is to unify within itself the attributes of indestructibility and mutability." This statement should set us thinking. Meyer in fact asserts that energy, in addition to being indestructible, is also able to change form. This implies that we can not necessarily think in terms of unidirectional mutability, a concept which thermodynamics has however maintained since the inception of its famous "laws". now I see nothing new here.. My definition of long ago was "energy can niether be created nor destroyed, it can only be converted from one form to another...." Philip Now the specific form of energy which is the subject of thermodynamics is heat. .......... ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism list Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Fw: Thermoenergetics: Can Hydraulics Reverse Entropy? Something to relax and play with.. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: josef@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: recipient list not shown: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:36 AM Subject: Thermoenergetics: Can Hydraulics Reverse Entropy? Sepp Hasslberger Update: Thermoenergetics: Can Hydraulics Reverse Entropy? 2007.11.24 17:36:07 http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/11/thermoenergetics_can_hydraulic.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The idea of entropy, of the constant and irreversible winding down of the universe, was introduced with the second law of thermodynamics. This law is based on an observation of James Watt's steam machine, which was the only technological utilization of thermal energy available at the time. According to the current views of thermodynamics, there is no antidote to entropy. Once expended, energy is said to be lost forever in that giant heat sink, which we imagine the vast reaches of the universe to be. One of the great minds of this century, an outsider to established science, has recognized the folly of this view and coined a term for the antidote. He calls it syntropy. In his book Cosmography, R. Buckminster Fuller writes: "The reader will discover that the inexorable course of the gradual running down of the energy of the universe - that is, entropy - is only part of the picture. Entropy has a complementary phase, which we designated syntropy". I wrote these words and quoted Fuller in 1993, in an article titled A New Beginning For Thermodynamics. ( I think a read of this link first is advised Philip) At the time, I had my share of opposition, together with some appreciative comments. But few physicists seemed ready to question the unconditional validity of the second law of thermodynamics at the time. It was and perhaps still is one of the untouchable principles - almost a holy cow of physics. Now, a decade and a half later, it seems that some researchers have hit upon a way to circumvent the law, to reverse that inexorable tendency of heat to disperse from a warm place to a cooler one. 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