I have casually researched cloud backups and haven't seen a compelling product so I'm glad to hear about your investigations. Currently I use BackupPC for onsite backups. BackupPC is set to do a full backup of each PC on our network, over the network, once per week and incremental (deltas) backups once per day. Each full backup lasts two weeks before being erased (I can keep more). These are not bare metal disaster recovery backups because of proprietary Microsoft technology which BackupPC can't or won't afford to license. Once per week I clone the BackupPC config and data partition to a drive and store the drive offsite. BackupPC relies heavily on rsync and compression to create pools and hard links avoid duplicate data. If there are 42 files which are exactly the same on 42 PCs, BackupPC stores one file and 41 hard links. The hard links are the reason I use Clonezilla to make offsite backups instead of tar, cpio, cp, dd or rsync. Right now I have 42 systems (PCs), 97 full backups and 247 incremental backups stored on about 500GB of a 1TB drive. The PC full backups would total 1671GB before pooling and compression, and the incremental backups would total 367GB before pooling and compression. Servers get the Clonezilla treatment although I could use BackupPC on them as well. Both BackupPC and Clonezilla are open source. Tom -- _____ From: frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tony Germano Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:38 To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: FW: [News and Security Announcements] TKLBAM, a new kind of smart backup/restore I have been investigating similar solutions to use for offsite backups at work. I'm currently looking at Jungle Disk Business Edition (https://www.jungledisk.com/business/) and CrashPlan PRO (http://b4.crashplan.com/business/index.html) and hope to try them soon. Jungle Disk can use cloud storage at Amazon or Rackspace. CrashPlan backs up primarily to onsite storage for speed and offsite is secondary for disaster recovery. I'm looking at these two because they have a centralized management console for backing up multiple servers. Both of these solutions have block level data deduplication, so if any file has changed you are only uploading a compressed/encrypted block containing the changes rather than the entire file. If the contents of two files are identical, you only back up the unique blocks once and both files point to them. They also support versioning, so you can do point-in-time restores. It looks like TKLBAM uses the rsync algorythm to do delta backups within a file, but I don't see anything saying it does deduplication across multiple files or supports multiple versions of the same file. Still, it's nice to have an opensource player in this market. Tony _____ From: tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [frgeek-michiana] FW: [News and Security Announcements] TKLBAM, a new kind of smart backup/restore Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:06:43 -0400 If you use Turnkey Linux, this is great news. If you don't, it is possible (probable?) contributors will adapt the open source TKLBAM tool to other variants of GNU/Linux. TKLBAM is designed specifically for use with TKL servers in the Amazon EC2 cloud, not sure if it works in other scenarios because the authors don't illustrate other scenarios. Tom -- _____ From: admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 08:10 To: tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [News and Security Announcements] TKLBAM, a new kind of smart backup/restore system Dear user, Big news! We've officially unveiled TKLBAM (TurnKey Linux Backup and Migration), a new kind of smart automated backup and restore system that will make it super easy to test your backups "in the cloud", and migrate working systems anywhere in minutes: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/announcing-tklbam Technical documentation: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/docs/tklbam Cheers, Liraz Siri Co-founder of TurnKey Linux Cell: +972-54-2013512 Unsubscribe from this newsletter <http://www.turnkeylinux.org/newsletter/confirm/remove/fc4f22900a295t48>