Re: [ZossPens] [email protected] it unfair to the buyer and sell you can work out a deal

Hi.

My personal interactions with both Max and Regina have been pleasant. I have not yet played on Regina's auction site, so cannot really comment on the site function or the philosophical underpinnings ;-)

And, one may certainly choose to play or not to play based on features that appeal or that don't appeal.

But, my reflex is to disagree with some of Max's points, below...

I think this is very unfair TRADING



I had a bid on a lot that was unsold and ask for the email to contact THE BIDDER

I was told she will not give out this info

I am unclear why this constitutes unfair trading. To lay this out in very straight and concrete fashion, why should a bidder expect an auction house to provide the contact info for a seller after an auction is done? Does Southeby's (sp?) provide contact info of this sort after an auction is done and a reserve goes unmet? Seems to me that helping folks perhaps do deals outside the auction house would not be good for the auction house's prospects.


Again, having not seen the site very much, i would hope a means is available to send questions during the auction to a seller so that details about a pen can be clarified before one bids, but even this might not require contact info, if the auction site manages the contacts both ways.

But, i would think that an auction site which prefers to avoid backchannel deals might have good reason to FAIRLY prevent after-the-auction dealings, at least ones facilitated by the auction house itself.

( I DID NOT ASK FOR THE MAILING LIST I JUST ASK FOR THE NAME OF THE BIDDER) ON MY LOT ONLY

This is a bit of "apples and oranges", if i follow your point. Yes, to give away a private mailing list is even MORE damaging to an auction house than would be helping individual bidders and sellers get together outside the auction itself, but this does not mean it is a good thing to help that contact happen between even one bidder and seller. That you did not ask for the mailing list is not relevent.


Again, an auction house has obvious reasons to keep trading within the between its buyers and sellers within the context of the auction. I don't understand why one would expect the auction house to help buyers and sellers reach each other once an auction is done.

What do other think  Regina sell here pen

Why do I want to use this Auction Again?


it is one sided she is a pen dealer and we will make here web site
Action better for here to sell to other

Again, i'm a bit uncertain as to the point here.

Regina is a pen dealer. She has (iirc) her own website for pen sales. Yes, she runs now an auction site, and running that site perhaps helps her overall business. But, unless you assert that Regina is faking sales on the auction- pretending her pens are for sale from other people- i would respond that people... well... have the right to be retailers in one venue and auctioneer in another. If Regina makes a good auction site- one that is successful and popular- then she should benefit from improved name recognition. Any of us can start our own auction house if we believe we can do it well.

if you bid on here pens you do not know if she is bidding again on here pens so there no way to know if this is fair

This is the first point i've seen in this discussion with which i can agree- if i follow it correctly and IF you are accurate in the concern.


You believe Regina is shilling- bidding on her own pens posted under different name?

I suppose that would be concern for ANY auction house run by any person who sells same type of product that is sold by auction. Regina can address this, but readers will have to make their own decisions about it.

But, i am not sure how this relates to your opening complaint about emails.

Anyone today can have many many emails and can answer email questions using many many names.

If Regina sells her own pens on the auction site under bogus name and bids on them (shilling, etc), besides the issue of fraud (perhaps unprovable) she still certainly could provide a bogus email and answer you under bogus name, if someone wanted to write to "the seller" after the auction closed.

Thus, refusal to provide email does not prove anything is bogus and willingness to provide an "email" does not prove anything is legitimate in the auction, if one has doubts about the auction in the first place. Thus, your initial objection that it is unfair for you not to receive the seller's email really has no bearing on all this.

When we bid on eBay we can see the name of the bidder and the seller and the bidder can ask Q & A and find out if there some thing wrong with the pen or ask if it got the nib that matches the pen

Again, i have not looked at the site very much, so no doubt i speak with some ignorance of the details. I quite agree that a mechanism is needed- assuming one is not already present- to ask questions about pens before bidding. I would not bid on most vintage pens if i could not ask questions before bidding.


But, one does NOT need to have a direct email connection in order to ask questions. All questions can go through the auction site and all answers can be routed through the site. And, this issue is quite separate from your original point, about wanting an email contact regarding a pen that is no longer for sale because the auction has ended and for which no deal exists to pursue any longer.

Unfair TRADING WHAT GOT FOR ONE IS GOOD FOR ALL

What is meant by this?

regards

david










Quoting Max Davis <maxpen@xxxxxxxxxx>:

Regina Martini <Regina.Martini@xxxxxxxxxxx>

On line Auction



I think this is very unfair TRADING



I had a bid on a lot that was unsold and ask for the email to contact THE BIDDER

I was told she will not give out this info

( I DID NOT ASK FOR THE MAILING LIST I JUST ASK FOR THE NAME OF THE BIDDER) ON MY LOT ONLY



What do other think  Regina sell here pen

Why do I want to use this Auction Again?



it is one sided she is a pen dealer and we will make here web site Action better for here to sell to other

i will not use this auction again

if you bid on here pens you do not know if she is bidding again on here pens so there no way to know if this is fair



What are your comments on this subject?



When we bid on eBay we can see the name of the bidder and the seller and the bidder can ask Q & A and find out if there some thing wrong with the pen or ask if it got the nib that matches the pen

I not going to use this Action I think we all can think about this problem

Unfair TRADING WHAT GOT FOR ONE IS GOOD FOR ALL



Max Davis








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