this issue has been raised couple times in chat amongst Ron Zorn, Kirchheimer and me. I await a definitive answer. But... the WW-II era Triumph pen and related "flush cap" model (at least the Tucky) have same size cap for pens of both length. The long-barrel pen packs a clip cap. The Tucky from this era tends to be clipless (not sure I've seen a short "clasp" clip ever for such pens) though the post WW-II Sheaffers have short clip on Tuckies. My suspicion is that to find a WW II era Triumph (thin long flush cap1250) with no clip, or to find a Tucky with a clip, indicates a Mix. But... i cannot prove that. regards David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Bowden" <drblaw@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Zoss Pen List" <PENS@xxxxxxxx>, fptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 4:59:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Sheaffer Triumph - Clipless Model? I am in possession of a nice Carmine vac fill Triumph that has a clipless cap with a wide cap band ala the Tuckaway pens. Was there a $12.50 Triumph model without a clip or is this a marriage of a Tuckie cap with a Triumph barrel. I don't have a Tucky to see if this cap would fit one. http://www.parkvillepen.com/images/consign/ccsheaffertriumph.jpg It's not shown in the photo, but there is a white dot above where a clip would usually be mounted. TIA. Dennis B ========================================================= To Unsubscribe: Send email to fptalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. The email that you then receive MUST be replied to per instructions to complete the process.