**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** Content-type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1156967; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I agree! The more specific, the less accurate. There are so many factors. Personally, I can't stand the "magen" grades. Some (in some schools many) students put more energy trying to "negotiate" higher grades than they do in their studies. I've had students insist that their success is up to me. "Ha kol talu'i bach, hamorah." Fifty-five passing is ridiculously low as it is. I think it's pathetic that a kid would need the points from classwork/teachers/magen to get there. Passing them when they know barely 50% of the material doesn't give them enough knowledge to do well with harder material in English the following year. It may be ok in subjects that are self-contained, never needed and erased from the brain after the test. Batya ##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### ##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx #####