[etni] Re: etni Digest V7 #28
- From: Howard Hanan Sibirsky <howdon@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Howard Hanan Sibirsky <howdon@xxxxxxxxxx>, etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, mabat@xxxxxxx, lkirshenberg@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:53:48 +0200
Don't laugh.
But before I tell you the name of the book I want tell you about the school. We
had very good Bagrut results every year. And we had gotten the Prass Hinuch
four times running. I suppose that another place had to be found deserving.
The book is simply Develop Your Grammar, ECB. Look at it very carefully and
note how the exercises are written and also the sequence of exercises. The
vocabulary is O.K., but it can be easily understood.
Who said Grammar must be difficult to understand?
It always worked for me. It may not work for you.
In the letter I had written/ I mentioned that I had taught Spanish In
Connecticut. But I cannot delve into the system and the technological support
that came with the purchase of the text. We used to call it program teaching.
If you are interested let me know and I will explain it to you. In all my years
of teaching English in Israel I have used some of the techniques of this
system. But the set up here, in Israel, possibly our mentality, and the school
plants as they are built, maintained and organized would not allow for such a
system. In other words, Balagan and Shitat Ha Peteck don't work; not to mention
self-discipline and punctuality.
Now I would like to write a few words to Lea.
Lea, thanks for your e-mail. I liked what I read. However, I asked myself if
new ways of teaching grammar are taught or is it the same old stuff but in a
different color.
Also, teachers tend to teach they way they had been taught when they were
children and not the ways they are taught to teach.
I would like to ask you to send some written material that will give an idea of
what you wrote about.
Thanks a lot to everyone who expressed his or her opinion. You have been very
kind.
Howard Hanan Sibirsky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bambi" <mabat@xxxxxxx>
To: <howdon@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: [etni] Re: etni Digest V7 #28
> So what was the name of the book???? - Bambi Aharon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: etni-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:etni-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Howard Hanan Sibirsky
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:13 PM
> To: Howard Hanan Sibirsky; etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; lkirshenberg@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [etni] Re: etni Digest V7 #28
>
> Lea,
> I had been a teacher of Spanish in Connecticut before I came on Alyah.
>
> The day I began to teach in Israel I realized how - sorry that I have to
> put it in these words - backward we are in the teaching a foreign
> language.
>
> Grammar is a part of teaching. However, in Israel it has become, and
> still is, the backbone of teaching English.
>
> Empathizing English Grammar as it is the rule here, has led to a great
> dislike for the language and, as you put it, " The
> very high number of students who can hardly write a grammatically
> correct sentence is the sad result of having neglected Grammar for so
> long. "
>
> Grammar must be a supportive addition to language teaching, but not
> teaching language itself.
>
> Grammar is theory and not language per se.
>
> You write quite correctly, "It is time all teachers realized that the
> question is not whether or not to teach Grammar, but how to teach it!"
>
> I ask you; How can teachers realize something that they have no idea
> about.? Where are other methods taught? What changes have been made and
> taught in the teachers colleges? What technology has been introduced in
> the classroom? I will answer my own question - NONE !!! Nothing has
> really changed since I arrived in 1970.
>
> It was my luck to have taught for 19 years in a school were the
> principal had given me full support, not the English co-coordinator. I
> was supported when I asked that English computer programs be introduced
> in the computer room. I stopped giving grammar exams. We studied grammar
> from a wonderful book that made it easy due to the fact that the
> vocabulary was easy to understand and it was designed to teach. Once a
> week was enough. I made sure that all students in the class orally read
> at least six answers from the book. They had no fear of grammar.The fact
> that I was kept as a Moreh Bahir for 19 till retirement was for me the
> proof of my success.
>
> I will not mention the name of the school but believe me it is one of
> the top schools in Israel. I also will not go into, here, what has to
> change and how.
>
> Leah, I have taught for 35 years in Israel. I have worked in a number of
> schools. When I say that not nothing has changed I tell you that it is
> based on years and years of experience.
>
> I will like you and others to research what is done in other countries,
> see teaching of foreign language as it is taught using other NEWER
> methods.
>
>
>
> Howard Hanan Sibirsky
>
>
> From: lkirshenberg@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: re: Grammar needs hip operation
>
> Dear All,
> The article on Grammar from the Australian newspaper reflects everything
> I
> have always believed in and that's why I was so happy to read it and I
> hope
> many teachers will. All along the years, when it was fashionable to
> believe
> that we could teach a foreign language without teaching Grammar, I was
> against that opinion. Now Grammar is not only officially back, but it is
> making a dramatic comeback! It is time all teachers realized that the
> question is not whether or not to teach Grammar, but how to teach it!
> The
> very high number of students who can hardly write a grammatically
> correct
> sentence is the sad result of having neglected Grammar for so long.
>
> Dr. Lea Kirshenberg
> Levinsky College of Education
>
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