Lea, I had been a teacher of Spanish in Connecticut before I came on Alyah. The day I began to teach in Israel I realized how - sorry that I have to put it in these words - backward we are in the teaching a foreign language. Grammar is a part of teaching. However, in Israel it has become, and still is, the backbone of teaching English. Empathizing English Grammar as it is the rule here, has led to a great dislike for the language and, as you put it, " The very high number of students who can hardly write a grammatically correct sentence is the sad result of having neglected Grammar for so long. " Grammar must be a supportive addition to language teaching, but not teaching language itself. Grammar is theory and not language per se. You write quite correctly, "It is time all teachers realized that the question is not whether or not to teach Grammar, but how to teach it!" I ask you; How can teachers realize something that they have no idea about.? Where are other methods taught? What changes have been made and taught in the teachers colleges? What technology has been introduced in the classroom? I will answer my own question - NONE !!! Nothing has really changed since I arrived in 1970. It was my luck to have taught for 19 years in a school were the principal had given me full support, not the English co-coordinator. I was supported when I asked that English computer programs be introduced in the computer room. I stopped giving grammar exams. We studied grammar from a wonderful book that made it easy due to the fact that the vocabulary was easy to understand and it was designed to teach. Once a week was enough. I made sure that all students in the class orally read at least six answers from the book. They had no fear of grammar.The fact that I was kept as a Moreh Bahir for 19 till retirement was for me the proof of my success. I will not mention the name of the school but believe me it is one of the top schools in Israel. I also will not go into, here, what has to change and how. Leah, I have taught for 35 years in Israel. I have worked in a number of schools. When I say that not nothing has changed I tell you that it is based on years and years of experience. I will like you and others to research what is done in other countries, see teaching of foreign language as it is taught using other NEWER methods. Howard Hanan Sibirsky From: lkirshenberg@xxxxxxxxx Subject: re: Grammar needs hip operation Dear All, The article on Grammar from the Australian newspaper reflects everything I have always believed in and that's why I was so happy to read it and I hope many teachers will. All along the years, when it was fashionable to believe that we could teach a foreign language without teaching Grammar, I was against that opinion. Now Grammar is not only officially back, but it is making a dramatic comeback! It is time all teachers realized that the question is not whether or not to teach Grammar, but how to teach it! The very high number of students who can hardly write a grammatically correct sentence is the sad result of having neglected Grammar for so long. Dr. Lea Kirshenberg Levinsky College of Education ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org or - http://www.etni.org.il ** ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------