[etni] Re: Dovrat and Ha'aretz article
- From: "leahamdur" <leahamdur@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:47:14 +0200
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Limnor Livnat tried to get the hareidi schools to fall under Dovrat. She is
trying to introduce core subjects into the hareid cheders.
This government does not believe in academic democracy, in fact does not
practice democracy at all.
That is why the hareidim joined this government. They got an agreement that
the hareidi education system would be left alone.
The hareidim are also against Dovrat.
What is the position with home schooling in this country? Can parents decide
to homeschool their children? Is that legal. I think that this route will
be taken more and more as the school system deteriorates.
Leah Amdur
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I don't know which "telephonice" survey Leah Amdur answered and how it
connects to the remainder of her letter.
The "haredi system" does not represent what goes on in general school
system. These school are financed "differently", i.e., they get a lot more
per student and they have all the facilities for longer days including
restaurants and what not. What seems funny about this is that, THEY WILL NOT
BE AFFECTED BY THE DOVRAT RECOMMENDATIONS, for political reasons. May be
you, Leah, are willing to work 40 hours a week for a measly salary, I
believe I deserve A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THEY ARE OFFERING, BECAUSE I WILL
HAVE TO WORK ALMOST DOUBLE THE TIME AND MY SALARY WILL be decrease not
increased!
Mordechai Mendelkern
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> I answered a telephonice survey
>
> The haredi system has long days and the children thrive on them. The boys
> from an early age come home at 5 at night. When they are in Yeshivah they
> learn all day till 9 at night. From 16 on they learn all day up to 11 at
> night. The content of what is taught makes all the difference as well.
>
> Leah Amdur
>
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> From the Ha'aretz article http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/536800.html
> "In response, the Education Ministry said that the Dovrat recommendations
> were based on models from other industrialized countries, as well as
> professional literature indicating that the long school day improves ties
> among students, teachers and parents, and provides better emotional
> support
> for students. An experimental program conducted by the local teachers'
> union
> also found that the long school day improved educational achievements,
> reduced educational gaps and lowered dropout rates, the ministry said.
> Moreover, a survey conducted by the ministry itself found that 8 out of 10
> parents want a long school day. "
>
>
> What professional literature did they read? What infrastructure did the
> models suggest in order to provide improved "ties among students, teaches
> and parents, and ... better emotional support" . Does said infrastructure
> exist in our system? Which countries provided the models? The Ministry
> claims an experimental program was conducted. What experimental program?
> Where was it conducted? Which age groups were involved? How long did the
> experiment go on? They claim it reduced drop out rates, so was it long
> term?
> Or else how did it prove drop out rates were reduced ? About the survey:
> Which parents were surveyed? Where were they from? Was this a nationwide
> survey? When was it conducted? Was it representative? How many parents
> were
> questioned? Can we see the survey? The surveyers could have interivewed
> 10
> people within the Ministry and come out with this result.
>
> Why does this sound like a con?
>
> Please note in today's Jerusalem Post: Evelyn Gordon writes an article
> entitled Government largesse: Israel Discount Bank employees will get an
> average of more tha 37,000 shekel to "compensate the workers for the
> trauma
> of the bank's impending privatization." Dockworkers are demanding a 15%
> increase plus a bonus of 35,000 - 40,000 per worker for "trauma". The
> Knesset awarded parliamentary aides a raise of 40-60% so they will not
> earn
> 7000-9850 per month. "Given that these jobs are usually held by university
> students or recent graduates...there is no justification for such a
> salary"
> .
>
> Will teachers get a "trauma bonus"? Will new teachers with a B.A get the
> same pay as Knesset go-fers?
>
> I am astounded.
> Doris.
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