[etni] Re: Dovrat and Ha'aretz article
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- Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:34:17 +0200
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I answered a telephonice survey
The haredi system has long days and the children thrive on them. The boys
from an early age come home at 5 at night. When they are in Yeshivah they
learn all day till 9 at night. From 16 on they learn all day up to 11 at
night. The content of what is taught makes all the difference as well.
Leah Amdur
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Subject: [etni] Re: Dovrat and Ha'aretz article
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From the Ha'aretz article http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/536800.html
"In response, the Education Ministry said that the Dovrat recommendations
were based on models from other industrialized countries, as well as
professional literature indicating that the long school day improves ties
among students, teachers and parents, and provides better emotional support
for students. An experimental program conducted by the local teachers' union
also found that the long school day improved educational achievements,
reduced educational gaps and lowered dropout rates, the ministry said.
Moreover, a survey conducted by the ministry itself found that 8 out of 10
parents want a long school day. "
What professional literature did they read? What infrastructure did the
models suggest in order to provide improved "ties among students, teaches
and parents, and ... better emotional support" . Does said infrastructure
exist in our system? Which countries provided the models? The Ministry
claims an experimental program was conducted. What experimental program?
Where was it conducted? Which age groups were involved? How long did the
experiment go on? They claim it reduced drop out rates, so was it long term?
Or else how did it prove drop out rates were reduced ? About the survey:
Which parents were surveyed? Where were they from? Was this a nationwide
survey? When was it conducted? Was it representative? How many parents were
questioned? Can we see the survey? The surveyers could have interivewed 10
people within the Ministry and come out with this result.
Why does this sound like a con?
Please note in today's Jerusalem Post: Evelyn Gordon writes an article
entitled Government largesse: Israel Discount Bank employees will get an
average of more tha 37,000 shekel to "compensate the workers for the trauma
of the bank's impending privatization." Dockworkers are demanding a 15%
increase plus a bonus of 35,000 - 40,000 per worker for "trauma". The
Knesset awarded parliamentary aides a raise of 40-60% so they will not earn
7000-9850 per month. "Given that these jobs are usually held by university
students or recent graduates...there is no justification for such a salary"
.
Will teachers get a "trauma bonus"? Will new teachers with a B.A get the
same pay as Knesset go-fers?
I am astounded.
Doris.
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