[duxuser] Re: headings, Office2007
- From: "Karlen Communications" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:53:22 -0400
Joe:
This might muddy the waters but since you are trying to figure out the
visual aspects of headings, I thought I'd wade into the deep end....
What the heading looks like is incidental to its function. Think of a door
frame. The door frame is a structural element for a "door" and how it looks
is incidental to its purpose. The basic structure of the door frame is to
allow you to move from one area to the other using a door. The door frame
supports the door but it doesn't matter what the trim around the door looks
like or what kind of door you hang...it is the structure that tells you it
is a door.
With headings, they provide a hierarchical structure for the document:
heading 1 is the top level topic, heading 2 is a sub topic under heading 1
and heading 3 is a sub topic under heading 2. Of course you can apply them
in whatever way you want but the intent is that the heading style provides
the hierarchical structure of the content.
If you then take your Word document and convert it to tagged PDF, DAISY or
HTML the structural heading is retained and used for navigation in the
documents. It is the same with Braille, the headings become a navigational
tool for finding content quickly. This is why it is important to ensure that
there is a logical hierarchy to applying headings. It is also why we can't
just "fling formatting" at text to make it look like a visual topic
change...the underlying structure of a true heading is not there...adaptive
technology sees this as a paragraph.
It is also why creating custom heading styles based on existing heading
styles is important...no matter what the heading looks like, the underlying
structure says it is a heading.
So no matter what your door frame looks like, it is still "recognizable
under the trim" as a door frame.
The fact that you apply a heading 2 in Word that is left aligned is OK since
the tools for creating tagged PDF, DAISY, HTML and using Duxbury look beyond
the "bling" to see if it is a heading style and then mark it accordingly.
I hope this helps and hasn't created more confusion. If you have any
questions, please ask.
Cheers, Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jo Taliaferro
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:16 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: headings, Office2007
Hi George,
I'm strictly speaking about Word 2007 and yes, I save the document as a
97-2003 .doc file. I'm talking about the fact that in Word, the heading 2
is left justified, as I learn from pressing ins plus e while still in Word.
I'm not even talking about it having been imported into Duxbury as I don't
have my registered version 10.7 yet. Just trying to figure out my Word
styles, (headings) so I know what I'm doing when I actually create a
document. This probably sounds as silly as your questions sound to you!!
Lol. I thought if I could understand how the headings appear to sighted
people, I could understand how they translate as they do in Duxbury. It's
kind of like practicing the piano with the piano??, eh?
Jo Taliaferro
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:44 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: headings, Office2007
Hi Jo,
Sorry if the following appear to be silly questions, but something
does appear to be amiss here.
Do I take it that you have opened the file in DBT 10.7? (If you don't
have 10.7, what version do you have?)
Are you saving your Word 2007 files as type Word 97-2003 (*.doc)
In Word, if you go to modify the Heading 2 Style, what does it say in
the "Style is based on:" list box?
If all else fails, can you send me the Word file as an attachment to
george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx as I suspect there's something very subtle
wrong here.
George.
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jo Taliaferro
Sent: 06 August 2009 04:28
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] headings, Office2007
Hi everyone,
I have reviewed the way my heading level 2 appears in a Word 2007
document
and it is aligned at the left margin with the font size not being
much
smaller than heading level one. How can Duxbury then put that heading
in
cell 5?
Or...? Are headings different in Word 2003 which Duxbury works well
with?
I use Window-Eyes and so when I want to do a head 1, my shortcut
keystroke
is control plus alt plus 1. For heading level 2 the keystroke is the
same
except that the digit 2 is used. Thanks for the explanation.
Jo Taliaferro...learning
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