[duxuser] Re: braille standards
- From: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens@xxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:58:25 -0500
While I agree with what is said here, the software authors presume a lot as
well. My new television came with a multiple page manual describing all it's
features, how they might be used and how to access them. While there is a
massive help system in these work processors you pretty well have to know
what you don't know in order to ask for help to learn it.
There is also the problem of varying standards. We will be going over to
Word in the coming months but to this point it has been WordPerfect. People
really like the codes in WordPerfect. They can see what is happening and why
and can edit things like formatting in and out. More significant though is
that what little many have learned over time will soon be lost while they
stumble along in Word. The really frustrating thing for me is that now so
many documents are being produced by non-professional document producers,
that is, every manager now does their own typing which generally only
demonstrates two areas in which they lack competence and efficiency.
I am hoping that DBT handles tables more intelligently in Word than it does
in WordPerfect.
Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario
dleavens@xxxxxxx
Home of the Polar Bear Express!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:06 PM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: braille standards
agreed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:10 PM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: braille standards
Yes Ann,
It's the appropriate Word Processor Operators manual - which nobody every
[expletive omitted] well reads.
I have just been involved in producing a fairly hefty Word document of a
mere 80 pages, and have spent more hours than I care to mention re-styling
it.
A message which I am trying desperately to get across to people is that
literally millions of hours are being wasted word-wide, simply because
people do not know - or in fairness, have never been trained - to use their
system properly.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with Braille production, and is actually
costing employers serious money. That's the message we need to get across.
Money out of the employer's pocket.
The problem is that most employers don't know how to use the software
themselves, and moreover can't see that even a days basic training could
save them money in an extremely short space of time.
But as you and I know, the spin off for us is that if programs like Word
were being used even half properly, our job would be far, far easier. That
would also save a lot of the costs in producing braille. (Which everyone
complains is way too high!)
For example, I regularly see hard carriage returns being used to force a new
page, as opposed to using Ctrl + Return.
I see Tabs being used to indent paragraphs, rather than simply adjusting
margins.
I see hand typed Tables of Contents because users don't know how to use
Heading Styles to automatically generate them.
Rant over for just now. I need a cold beer.
George Bell.
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Foxworth, Ann
Sent: 24 November 2003 22:00
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] braille standards
Do any of you know of a current publication outlining standards for
formatting documents to make them "braille-friendly"?
Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist Texas Commission for the Blind
4800 N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130 Austin, TX 78756
PH: (512) 377-0654
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