> > We have a Zilco that we use quite a bit, several > sets of unused older leather > > harness mostly of the light breed show type and > show harness that stays in > > the house. To get started, could I just purchase > breast collars with rings, > > a pair rein and other bits? Yes, with PAIR breast collars or neckcollars with hames, you can just change a few things to adapt single to pair. Breeching strap going around the rump, take off the holdback straps that fasten on the shafts. As suggested, a wide strap from the breeching ring to trace buckle will work. The breeching strap would be under the trace when buckled onto the breastcollar buckle or the tug buckle on hames. Won't work well if hames have short tug buckles like for a single. If those are all you have, you might want to make up Yankee breeching, that would fasten onto a ring on the false martingale at the girth. Breeching must have a stable anchor point, to work. Short tugs would change things too much if you buckled breeching into it. Long tugs on hames would of course fasten to the straps on harness saddle to hang straight. Would look like the long trace hames, neck collar, pleasure harness shown on calendar April picture. January sleigh picture shows short tugs, but not how her breeching works. "Looks like" it comes up to tug buckle, but you can't see it. I think they are making breeching fasten down to the girth/false martingale. Traces run thru carrying loops at girth to keep them from sagging. Pieces parts are sure less expensive than buying new. Breast collars are more adaptable to a variety of horses than neck collars. Horses need neck collars to fit well, but their bodies keep changing with work, so gets expensive to own a lot of collars. You need to measure from one side to other side on harness saddle, for correct pair breastcollar length. They hang from the strap right under the rein terrets. Strap hangs down from breastcollar to overgirt. Too short or long breastcollars, can pinch or twist angle traces pull from. I am not sure you can adapt too much from show harness. Straps are usually thinner, saddles narrow for show carts. Get LARGE terret rings so reins slide freely. Getting a rein hung up in the ring, is an accident most of the time. You need traces that fit vehicle. Pair traces are usually shorter than singles. You gain a foot on pair breastcollars or long tugs. Get NEW pole straps. These are your brakes, don't take chances. Get rein width to fit your hands, heavy is not always better. See if you can find the German Driving Book. Good stuff on rein length. Achenbach style is about the easiest to use, buckles adjust up by your hands. However reins have to be correct lenth for YOUR sized animals, to what vehicle you drive, so that affects where the coupler buckle will fall. Eleven holes punched for adjustment on each rein. No conway buckles draft style, need regular bridle buckles for coupler. You might want to go back and skim thru the past months letters in this group. There is a lot of good information on fitting harness, pole length and rein adjustments. Could be the answer to a question you had not thought of yet! Keep asking, we are glad to share information and experiences. Kathy Robertson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````