Yes. XS is still best of what's out there. ES has more docs, but less controls, runs slower, and has worse sounds. So its your call which is more important. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Blake Hardin Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:08 AM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000 Ahh yeah man makes since. So would you still consider the xs to be the most accessible of the workstations? Like if i got the edditors? Ors was the motif es easyer to use? On 1/18/10, Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Because I'm tired of memorizing screens. I have too much going on to > spend the hours and hours that it takes to commit a board like the > Motif to memory. Plus, if you don't use it constantly, you start to forget > details. > After accidentally erasing several projects, having the Motif wipe out > one of my flashdisks and kill a bunch of data, and struggling for a > few days trying to reset all of the Utility mode and sequencer setup > screens to work with Sonar and mLAN again after one of those crashes, > I decided that I was tired of pouring time down that hole. It might be > fine to memorize screens enough to play it live, or to do some small > sequencing on it, but I wanted it to be fully integrated with Sonar as > a controller, control surface, audio and MIDI interface, and tone > generator. The docs say that it can do that, but actually making it > happen is like chasing a carrot. Mostly because mLAN is such a pain to > get and keep working with Sonar. Yamaha really isn't interested in > making the Motif work well with any DAW besides Cubase, so it always > felt like my workarounds were just fighting nature. I'd figure out > some trick to make the Motif work in a certain way, only to find a > bug, report it, and be told that it wasn't meant to be used that way. > Of course not. It was supposed to be used with Cubase, which we can't > use. Its possible to make it work, with lots and lots of effort, but I don't > think that the effort is worth it anymore. > > Besides any blindness stuff, or any Yamaha compatibility stuff, I'm > also tired of having to track in external sound modules of any type. > If it won't run as a softsynth, I don't run it. I don't have time or > patience for modules anymore. Too slow to work with, setting up sysex > bulk dumps and restores, matching levels, tracking in external sounds > at super slow real-time speed. Too much time to memorize everything, > instead of having access, if even slower access, on the computer. So > easy for settings to get messed up, or to have external gear not > properly recall its setup when you load a Sonar project. > > I play a keyboard, but I don't record with one anymore. The computer > isn't as fast, and the quality isn't as high in all areas, but I don't > care. If I can have most of the quality in a fraction of the time, > then that's all I need. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Blake Hardin > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:23 AM > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000 > > hey bryan? may i ask why you choose to venture away from the motif > world of keyboards? > > On 1/17/10, Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> The editor isn't free. You buy it from John Melas in Greece. You can >> google to get his web site, or search on www.moaccess.info. It costs >> about 140 Euros. >> >> The scripts are free. You'll need to get them from Gordon Kent. >> >> If the scripts don't work with your editor, then you have the wrong >> editor. >> E-mail John and ask him for the older version that worked with screen >> readers. >> >> Bryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bolo Feliciano >> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:05 PM >> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000 >> >> Hi, >> How would I know if I got the old version of the editor? and when you >> say don't use the motif anymore, should I sell it? I'm a little >> confused with what you said. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bolo Feliciano >> >> DasRight! Productions >> >> email:bolohotlikefire@xxxxxxxxxxx >> >> Tel: 340 227 1566 >> >> "Seeing the World through my Heart" >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:46:28 -0500 >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000 >>> >>> You can get the scripts from Gordon. I wrote them, but don't do >>> anything with the Motif anymore. Also, you need the old version of >>> the editor. The new one changed the interface completely, and >>> doesn't work with Jaws. >>> >>> I persuaded Yamaha to give the author of the editor a free Motif XS >>> so that he'd make it work for us, and so the changes in the new >>> version are very upsetting to me. Still, what can I do? >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bolo Feliciano >>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:55 PM >>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000 >>> >>> Thanks for the info, whether is a paid or a freeby download is quite >>> alright by me as long as it makes the motif editor accessible. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Bolo Feliciano >>> >>> DasRight! Productions >>> >>> email:bolohotlikefire@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> Tel: 340 227 1566 >>> >>> "Seeing the World through my Heart" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000 >>> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:59:49 -0500 >>> >>> >>> >>> Welcome to the list what's up my friend. I don't have a motif, so I >>> can't help with that but there are many on this list who do and >>> should be able to send it to you. I don't know if its free or if you >>> have to pay for it. >>> I'm sure someone on this list should have that information as well. >>> Its good to know that you are posting. Be well. >>> >>> >>> >>> May the peace of God which passes all understanding gard your heart >>> and mind in Christ Jesus. >>> >>> God bless you! >>> >>> Website http://www.nevillepeter.com <http://www.nevillepeter.com/> >>> >>> email neville@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> phone 407-222-4488 >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bolo Feliciano >>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:07 AM >>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000 >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi People, >>> I'm a soca and calypso producer hailing all the way from the Virgin >>> Islands. I've been onthe the list for just a qquick minute now, but >>> this is my first entry. I was just wondering if I can also >>> possiblely get a copy of the jaws scripts for the motif editer. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Bolo Feliciano >>> >>> DasRight! Productions >>> >>> email:bolohotlikefire@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> Tel: 340 227 1566 >>> >>> "Seeing the World through my Heart" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: fitzyyy@xxxxxxxxxx >>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000 >>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:15:41 -0500 >>> >>> hi Gordon >>> >>> any chance you could email me the jaws scripts for the motif editers >>> off list? >>> >>> the email is >>> >>> Fitzyyy@xxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> thanks. >>> >>> frank. oh and I think some one else wanted them, bbut if you get >>> them to me I'll get them to him. thanks again. >>> >>> frank >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Gordon Kent <mailto:dbmusic@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:23 PM >>> >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: bcr2000 vs bcf2000 >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello: >>> >>> I have the bcf2000, which has the motorized faders while the bcr has >>> only knobs. I've had good luck with my bcf2000 and you certainly >>> can't beat the price. >>> >>> Gord >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Frank Morekwa <mailto:frank.morekwa@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:27 PM >>> >>> Subject: [ddots-l] bcr2000 vs bcf2000 >>> >>> >>> >>> hi guys >>> >>> >>> >>> i am planning to get my self a midi controler surface and some one >>> recomended that i should get bcr2000 or bcf2000 so i'm not sure >>> about their differences and which one i can get with some better >>> functions and user friendly, any advice? >>> >>> >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> >>> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now >>> <http://au.rd.yahoo.com/movies/mailtagline/*http:/au.movies.yahoo.co >>> m >>> /session-times/> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. 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