[ddots-l] Re: Yamaha Plg boards, was Re: Omnisphere sounds
- From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 11:42:41 +0100
Not directly, but it'll respond to the messages if you've got the controller
fitted to any other device on your MIDI network.
Best wishes.
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-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: 05 April 2010 10:26
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Yamaha Plg boards, was Re: Omnisphere sounds
i assume that you can't use the yamaha bc breath control with the kenton,
though?
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Burgess <mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:36 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Yamaha Plg boards, was Re: Omnisphere sounds
Hi,
No, not at all. You don't need a Motif or any other hosting device
as the
boards fit inside the PlugStation - it'll take up to 4 of them (this
would
be pointless for the XG board and you can only use the VH vocal
board if
you've still got an old Yamaha SW1000XG sound card kicking around
and can
find the Kenton daughter board for it). Given those two special
cases, you
just use the PlugStation like a 1U rack synth module, which is what
it is.
If you can find one, make sure it comes with a Y-board expansion
card fitted
(this gives you 8 analog outputs, 2 per card). Without the Y board
fitted
you'll only get audio out of the unit via its ADAT connector.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
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-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: 05 April 2010 10:08
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Yamaha Plg boards, was Re: Omnisphere sounds
Tim,
Once you run the boards through the station, does the station then
get
connected to the motif? I've never heard of this method, which is
why i'm
asking. Also, when you run the boards through the kenton, do they
still use
up a midi channel from the motif?
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Burgess <mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:11 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Yamaha Plg boards, was Re: Omnisphere sounds
Hi,
I run my Plg boards inside a Kenton PlugStation. Unfortunately,
these are
no longer in production, but they're a great way of getting to grips
with
these boards. They also make them sound better as Yamaha skimped on
the
hosting synth side of things - the boards will run 24-bit, but the
Yamaha
synths only allow them to run in 16-bit mode. The PlugStation
allows full
24-bit usage and they sound great.
They're still a pig to program, though (grin).
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
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-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: 05 April 2010 01:44
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
Bryan, after having a vl plg board, I'd definitely agree with what
you're
saying. Although the vl board sounds awesome, i really find the fact
that it
takes up an entire midi channel for it extremely problematic.
Roland's srx
expansion cards, for example, don't interact with the synth that way
at all.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:40 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
You don't really want them. They don't add other sounds to the
Motif. They're basically like self-contained synths. It is like you
just put
another synthesizer in the Motif and hard wired their outputs
together. The
FM and analog boards only can be used for 1 sound each at a time,
and they
don't show up on the first 16 channels that the internal sequencer
can
access. The XG board can do 16 channels at once, but it, also, is
like a
separate synth. It can't use any of the Motif's effects (except the
master
effect). It is also hard to access from the internal sequencer.
That stuff isn't worth your time unless you just really enjoy a
technical struggle. That's mostly why they were dropped in the XS.
Difficult
to use, and they don't integrate well with the Motif.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:12 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
The best thing is to keep an eye out on ebay for that obsolete
stuff. Also, Guitar Center has a used section on their website where
they
get things randomly.
----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:08 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
O man, i've been trying to get an xg board, the fm board and that
kind of stuff, no where to be found!
D!J!X!
________________________________
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:01 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
not that i'm aware of. I suppose motifator.com would have them if
there are any. Also, wasn't there a plg board for the es that
contained
orchestral sounds?
----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:55 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
Are there any string libraries for the motif es? Cuz the factory
stuff doesn't cut it for me...
D!J!X!
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:54 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
The only thing I do with it is use the sounds. You don't have access
to any parameters, and even for sounds, you need sighted help to
copy the
presets into sonar and save them. Otherwise, you can't access them.
I feel
that unless you use a synth like Vienna, hardware boards are still
the best
sounding for strings, brasses, and woodwinds. I know that's not what
we'd
like to acknowledge, and I know that we'd all like to get into as
much
softsynths as possible, but honestly, I haven't heard anything
satisfactory
in the realm of virtual that can match a hardware synth like the
motif or a
roland synth for the instruments I mentioned above, except for the
Vienna
stuff.
----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:04 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
I'm assuming you've got this synth? How much of it can you access
with jaws?
D!J!X!
________________________________
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:44 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
I think he meant the 1gb free one from eastwest. colossis is
definitely not a loser. it's great.
----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:19 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
Colossis is the loser? If so, why?
D!J!X!
________________________________
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 12:58 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
I tried it and it was a loser.
Gord
----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:40 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
Hey does anybody remember that free synth that east west was giving
out, it was about 1gb or so download, was it that colossis?
D!J!X!
________________________________
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:29 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
Bryan,
I personally wouldn't recommend either atmosphere or omnisphere for
great, natural-sounding, woodwind, string, brass, or other natural
instruments. I would label them as average at best. Just my opinion,
though.
A better synth for that kind of stuff is EastWest's colossis. The
only
drawback to that is that you need sighted help to copy and paste the
presets
into sonar. Otherwise, it isn't accessible.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Omnisphere sounds
All of you people using Omnisphere, what is your opinion of the
sound quality in terms of bread and butter sounds? All of the demos
that
I've found are full of amazingly pulsing, throbbing, morphing,
arpeggiating,
swirling textures and synth tambers. That sounds great for creating
atmospherics, or for scoring television action shows. However, how
well does
Omnisphere serve as a general purpose go-to instrument? For example,
I have
lots of plugs if I want drums, pianos, electric pianos, guitars, and
synths.
However, when the odd situation comes up, and I need a sax, a
ukulele, a
harpsichord, or a sitar, I need a general purpose synth to go to.
I've used
various things for that over the years, but I'm now in a spot where
the old
stuff like Hypersonic isn't available anymore on Win 7, and I'm
trying not
to use hardware synths anymore, so can't just track in something
from one of
those.
So, how do you rate it for general purpose sounds?
Bryan
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