I think that now we have the net we can safely dispose of the state. I would phase out the warfare side first though as I'm not a Libertarian. ________________________________ From: Gary Wallin <garylwallin@xxxxxxxxx> To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 10:02 PM Subject: [cryptome] Re: Microsoft and the NSA On 7/18/2013 7:59 PM, John Young wrote: > ...its greatest enemy is its hyper-paranoia. > > National security is not about protecting the nation, its aim > is to generate fear of its inevitable failure. John, perhaps you are too pessimistic. I don't like the panopticon or the surveillance state. But with 7 billion people on the planet and the inglorious history of human nature, parts of the security programs may be needed. I would prefer that people prevent abuses of the National Security state and surveillance, rather than calling for its abolition. Constructive criticism is needed and pointed questions must be raised. But in the end, it is not the nature of the State that is our primary concern; it is human nature itself. But both the behavior of both the State and the People give reasons for great concern.