[cryptome] Re: 2,940,525 Diplomatic PDFs

  • From: Michael Best <themikebest@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:54:20 -0500


Mirrors and archives have become corrupt, not what they claim to be.
*Meddling*
*is commonplace, sometimes accidental, but usually on purpose. Archive.org**is
the worst offender*, the Google, then Wikipedia. then scholars, then
spies,
then clouds and so on.


Can you provide just one example of when Archive.org has "meddled" with
user uploaded materials? Or with pages archived in the Wayback Machine*?

You've made that basic accusation more than once, so I'm wondering what the
source is. Please enlighten. You can even disavow the enlightenment.

*If you think they've "meddled" with archived versions of Cryptome pages,
it's very very easy to get them to remove all the entries. I'd be happy to
walk you through it, but it'd be a shame if you wanted the archived
versions of Cryptome's pages removed - albeit understandable if you can
show that they've been meddling.


On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 4:13 PM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
We have asked several archivists and Torrenters to avoid using Cryptome
as as misleading identifier due to some of them tampering with the material
in hard to discover weay.
Best (no pun) call it by the name of the actual host for honesty not a
pseudo,
pretentious fake of the source of siphoned material.
Mirrors and archives have become corrupt, not what they claim to be.
Meddling
is commonplace, sometimes accidental, but usually on purpose. Archive.org
is the worst offender, the Google, then Wikipedia. then scholars, then
spies,
then clouds and so on. And they are enlisting others to gather and dump
debris
to inflate the garbage heap slathered with appeals for more funds to pile
more
useless and/or redundant trash.
May not be stoppable but protest is needed to balance the wildly
proliferating
numbers and more numbers, willy-nilly WGetting and boting, wasting
bandwidth
of sources and requiring sources to explain "Hey, its not ours."
We hate bots and siphons almost as much as the jerks who use and abuse
them.
Not a few of the abusers are doing the dirty for pay.



At 03:32 PM 12/28/2015, you wrote:
and all like it junking up the Internet like space debris.
On the contrary, I appreciate the archival effort. Especially since
sometimes WL is not available, and because the keeper(s) of some
repositories are temperamental and therefore, unfortunately, must now be
considered unreliable.
-S





Select archiving is fine, more of that needed, but not the bloat and
redundancy

On December 28, 2015 12:25:31 PM John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Cryptome disavows this senselessly bloated and mirrored material,


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