Hi Stephan. What is WinMiser Pro? It sounds like something I would be interested in. As for Windows NT 3.51; sorry to hear that Calmira won't work with its = LFN system. I was hopeful that it would. My line of thinking was that it = was *not* possible for Calmira to read Windows95 LFN because it was such a different animal from Win3.1, but when I saw WinNT3.51's File Manager = (which looks and works the same way as regular Windows3.1's) list files and directories with LFNs, I thought there might be a possibility. I have = read that NT and Win95 uses a different LFN scheme. I am also remembering the frustration of having to upgrade applications = so that they too can utilize LFNs. I'm convinced that Micro$oft planned = it that way to force yet another upgrade for *each* application to = Windows95 users. It's no wonder that Gates is so well off. Aaaarhh, wouldn't = you think applications would take their filenaming conventions based on = their operating system! ...-I guess that's it: Windows itself is not a true operating system; it is just a shell. Hmm... a shell for a shell. =20 Also, thanks to Erwin for his reply to my Wishlist request fro a = "Run..." menu keyboard accessible anywhere: "Right-click the task list and select "New Task..." -but, this again = seems to be a mouse only command, which is what I am trying to circumvent. I believe that this is the feature that makes a program worthy as a = shell. Consider that any program cannot be used as an effective shell if it = cannot run another program. Excel had a "Run..." menu, but it behaves = differently and does not bring up File Manager's Run dialogue box. For a long = while I was on the search for the smallest size effective shell for my MinWin configuration. (My MinWin for v3.0 actually fits on a 720K floppy!) Program Manager was actually the smallest size as long as you didn't = have any Program Groups or icons. Task Manager (with its lovely <Ctrl-Esc> access) was even smaller, but it had no way of running another program = if used as a shell. Is it difficult to add another menu item to the <spacebar> menu (or = <hyphen> menu) for keyboard access? It would be truly wonderful if your Task = Manager can incorporate a Run Menu!! =20 There is a little known keyboard short-cut that I've discovered that = gave keyboard access to dialogue box options within Win95 (not that it was undocumented, it was there all the time - I just didn't link the 2 = together) It is <Shift-F10> which is the keyboard equivalent of the = mouse-right-click. With this, one had access to the graphic buttons in dialogue boxes such = as in Save or Open, or, if the focus was on the file list, one could = access all the right-click menu items such as "Sent To". Can this be duplicated = for the Calmira environment? Doesn't anyone else think that keyboard access is less cumbersome and quicker to access as I do? I'm not against the mouse, I against = mouse-only features. This also greatly help disabled users, and it would widen = your base to include these users. =20 I did not use GeoWorks (Ensemble), and early GUI which had a LFN = scheme, because it was not fully accessible by keyboard. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: JGrossklass@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:JGrossklass@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:51 AM To: calmira_tips Subject: <CT> WinMiser Pro Hi, has anyone found a full version of WinMiser Pro in the meantime? Stephan --=20 Stephan Gro=DFkla=DF (7bit: Grossklass) eMail: mailto:jgrossklass@xxxxxxxxxxx | Webmaster: http://www.i24.com/ Home: http://jgrossklass.bei.t-online.de/ P3-500, 128MB, 8+8+19GB HDD; MS-DOS 6.22, WfW 3.11, Calmira II 3.12 -- To unsubscribe, send a message to listar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe calmira_tips" in the body. OR visit http://freelists.dhs.org -- To unsubscribe, send a message to listar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe calmira_tips" in the body. OR visit http://freelists.dhs.org