i was reading the qt section of the download page and noticed this: "Versions are not supported. Debian30 is a exception. The TomCAD lib package for debian ships with the appropriate qt library." but i did not see the link to a debian tarball or deb. am i overlooking something? thanks, still trying. -- Oh i've slipped the surly bonds of DOS and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ //www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux