Hello Zack,
On approach to Visual Runway 9, there's a 1,900 foot mountain right on
final. Michelle actually needed to climb over that mountain and she did so
as I made the approach in a C172SP. Please see the attached log file.
Robert
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Zachary Kline <zkline@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hey Jordan,
As a follow-up, I was trying to make an approach to runway 9, which seems
to be over pretty mountain-ish terrain. I wonder if part of the
explanation is that Robert was vectored to runway 27.
I didn’t use the “expect vectors,” command, which is something else I
should probably try. I had forgotten about it until just now.
Thanks,
Zack.
On Dec 30, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Jordan Gallacher <jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Okay. I will try it later on today or tomorrow.
Jordan
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Hi Jordan,
I was departing WN53, Frontier Airpark, and arriving KESW, Easton State
THanks for any help,jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Zack.
On Dec 30, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Jordan Gallacher <
the same aircraft and see what happens.
What were the departure and arrival airports and I will give it a go in
directives to the letter, and my C172 still crashed on the way in.. IJordan
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Hi Jordan et al,
I don’t know what happened, but I’m 99% certain I followed ATC
wonder why Robert and I got such very different results.
them all here if it would help, but this is the only flight I conducted
The logs were split into several files, for some reason. I can attach
today, 12/30. I’m probably going to call it quits on trying this particular
flight assignment.
jordanandseptember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for the help,
Zack.
On Dec 29, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Jordan Gallacher <
Unfortunately, there are no good solutions from my experience. I suggest
Microsoft's ATC is notoriously bad in mountainous terrain.
finding two things which are the elevation of the airport and the minimum
safe altitude. The general rule I use in those areas is to stay at minimum
2000ft above the deck. In other words, if the airport is at 5000ft, I want
to be no less than 7000ft on the approach. The next video I upload of
flying will demonstrate this.
doing, an online ATC instructs you to do that, or someone tells you to doJordan
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On Dec 30, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Hadi Rezaei <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I also forgot to mention. Never take speed control of the aircraft
from Michel at any point of the flight unless you know what you're
that in a come fly with me sessions (I remember Robert or Clive used to do
that sometimes) If you change the speed manually, or tell michel to change
the virticle rate of climb or descend You'll take the speed control from
her and at this point You will have to fly by chart or someone else
guiding you.
wrote:On 12/30/2016 9:45 AM, Joshua Tubbs wrote:
Let’s hope this flight wasn’t for some airline that perhaps
required him to go VFR. Let the nightmares begin, in that case…
On Dec 30, 2016, at 1:12 AM, Hadi Rezaei <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx>
There is a safe minimum altitude stated. But in regards to approaches,
Hi there
MCE will not help you at all in regards to this.
Usually, If you find the pdf file of the chart of your airport,
Microsoft ATC 95% of the time will guide you through the approach safely.
All you have to do is fly IFR, and do exactly as the ATC states.
(Which I think has happened to me only once or twice of all the flights I
If for whatever reason, Microsoft ATC is giving you wrong vectors,
had), You have to either try radar contact 4, some other ATC software, or
alternatively an online controller in VATSIM or IVAO network.
the procedures, checklists and microsoft ATC's instructions in an IFR
Honestly, I think that you should try this again, closely follow
flight. and You will be fine.
visual charts, which we obviously can’t, or taking a guess at a safe
On 12/30/2016 8:57 AM, Zachary Kline wrote:
Hey,
It was IYP. I don’t know what might help aside from reading the
altitude above any obstacles. I guess I was asking for it flying in the
Cascades, but I’d hope there’s something better we can do.
wrote:
On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Joshua Tubbs <orin8722@xxxxxxxxx>
zkline@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Were you using IYP or MCE? Maybe MCE may help in this instance?
On Dec 29, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Zachary Kline <
I’ve crashed on the way to KESW, Easton State Airport, a couple times, and
Hi All,
I wonder if there’s any way to fly safely in mountainous areas?
wondered if there was anything I could do differently.
IFR, but at one point I think ATC may have misvectored me. THe flight in
I was trying both a VFR and IFR flight. I made it farther in the
question is from WN53 to KESW.
the subject of your message.
ANy thoughts appreciated.
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