[BNU] Re: Nemith, reactions please
- From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "mlewicki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mlewicki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 09:18:57 -0500
Representing math on a computer is difficult for anyone, sighted or not. That's
why so much math online is inaccessible; many people turn to images or a
special markup language (Latex) to do it. There is currently no standard way to
display math so that spacial characters, such as superscripts or fractions, are
shown correctly, so the Braillenote has no way of doing this either. The best
it can do is use words to show what it means, because no commputer has a native
way to show, say, a fraction. So, while Nemeth translation isn't great, there
is really not much Humanware can do about it. They could offer a translator
into the afore mentioned markup language, but even then, not everyone knows how
to read it or has a translator to show Latex files in plain math code.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 8:51, "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I was so excited about my students having nemith code on their apexs, but
> when I saw it printed out I was disappointed. Maybe it depends on the
> teacher, but the way it prints out is difficult to read, and some math
> teachers would mot appreciate it. What are your thoughts? Thanks
>
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> 700 Delaware Avenue
> Delmar, NY 12054
> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 1:06 AM, "FreeLists Mailing List Manager"
> <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> braillenote Digest Fri, 21 Feb 2014 Volume: 07 Issue: 054
>>
>> In This Issue:
>> [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>> [BNU] Re: Error message
>> [BNU] [urgent] Nemeth problems
>> [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>> [BNU] The BrailleNote PC Drivers.
>> [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>> [BNU] Testing
>> [BNU] New apex
>> [BNU] Re: New apex
>> [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>> [BNU] Re: New apex
>> [BNU] Re: New apex
>> [BNU] Re: New apex
>> [BNU] Re: New apex
>> [BNU] Re: New apex
>> [BNU] Re: New apex
>> [BNU] Re: New apex
>> [BNU] downloading music on the braillenote
>> [BNU] Re: downloading music on the braillenote
>> [BNU] Re: downloading music on the braillenote
>> [BNU] Playtime product key
>> [BNU] (ot) new list
>> [BNU] Need help with new sound pack.
>> [BNU] mp3 juices works well with the bn.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: Dave Sheridan <dsheridan65@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:17:34 +0000
>>
>> Grade 3 is shorthand braille as used in the past by those training for
>> shorthand and typing courses. Things have moved on considerably since and
>> those likely to explore grade 3 would be doing it for precisely the same
>> reasons as expressed here. As with any personal shorthand forms one might
>> choose to use it must be remembered that these are for personal use and
>> would not be recognised by most other braille users or notetakers like the
>> bn.
>>
>> All the best from Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On 21 Feb 2014, at 05:01, anthony <aluis.rivera25@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> hello alex and all. what is this grade 3? can someone explain, never heard
>>> of it.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: Kristen <kskristen@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Date sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:31:54 -0500
>>> Subject: [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>>> The only way is to write it into a Keyword braille or BRF file, then never
>>> translate it or try to read it with speech. Not good for moving between
>>> the bn and any other non-braille devices, but good for, as you said,
>>> writing very quickly.
>>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Kristen <kskristen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hi--
>>> I am beginning to learn grade 3 Braille, as I think it will help me type
>>> notes for high school, and then college, more efficiently. I've never come
>>> across an option for this, but is it possible to type in grade 3 Braille on
>>> the Apex? I don't want my entire keyboard in this code but am trying to
>>> switch it over in KWB documents, like you do with computer Braille. Or,
>>> would the best way to practice just be to type grade 3 into a grade 2 file
>>> (I know this won't translate well in print, but I will know what it means)?
>>> Also, I recently signed up for NFB Newsline. I see an option on their site
>>> to e-mail an entire publication or a section of one to yourself as an
>>> attachment. Does this come through as a Daisy text only, or is there a way
>>> to get an HTML edition e-mailed to you?
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> Kristen
>>> -------------------------------
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>>> products from Humanware.
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>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex
>>> mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:30:25 -0600
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: Error message
>> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Hello, and welcome to the list. I'm not sure how Microsoft supports popblec
>> of the BN. Popblec is rather old, from what I've heard. The manual has steps
>> for using keymail with gmail, but you'll have to get settings for outlook
>> from microsoft or google searching.
>> sent from the braille plus
>> Kenisha Browning <browningks@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I'm new here. I have a BN Apex. When I try to send/receive email I get
>>> error 171authentication failed. I am using outlook.com pop mail, everything
>>> is right outlook.com requires ssl/tsl for the pop server. I have secure
>>> connection for pop server: yes
>>> Keisha Browning
>>> Impossible = I'm possible
>>> Sent from my iPhone-------------------------------
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:57:43 -0500
>> Subject: [BNU] [urgent] Nemeth problems
>> From: David Bartling <dbartling714@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Hi all
>> I was taking a test and I accidently inserted a result in to the test
>> from my calculator and as you all know, this caused my apex 6go
>> haywire. Is three anything I can do to fix this problem? Please
>> respond as quickly as possible as I need to finish this test. I would
>> write the file over but I had to show my work and would really rather
>> not go through that again. If there isn't a way, I might have to not
>> use nemeth until the bug is fixed because I can't have this happen
>> again. Its a great tool but with the worst flaw possible.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:19:11 -0800
>> From: Terri Pannett <pann1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>>
>> You can write any kind of braille code on the BN, but you cannot
>> translate grade 3 braille into print and you must turn off speech when
>> you use grade 3 braille.
>>
>>
>> Terri Amateur radio call sign KF6CA
>>
>>> On 2/20/2014 3:48 PM, marissa wrote:
>>> No it is not. The only options on the Apex are grade 1, grade 2,
>>> computer braille, and if you have keysoft 9.4 nemoth
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Kristen <kskristen@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: BN <braillenote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:42:06 -0600
>>> Subject: [BNU] Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>>> Hi--
>>> I am beginning to learn grade 3 Braille, as I think it will help
>>> me type notes for high school, and then college, more
>>> efficiently. I've never come across an option for this, but is it
>>> possible to type in grade 3 Braille on the Apex? I don't want my
>>> entire keyboard in this code but am trying to switch it over in
>>> KWB documents, like you do with computer Braille. Or, would the
>>> best way to practice just be to type grade 3 into a grade 2 file
>>> (I know this won't translate well in print, but I will know what
>>> it means)?
>>> Also, I recently signed up for NFB Newsline. I see an option on
>>> their site to e-mail an entire publication or a section of one to
>>> yourself as an attachment. Does this come through as a Daisy text
>>> only, or is there a way to get an HTML edition e-mailed to you?
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> Kristen
>>> -------------------------------
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:26:15 -0800
>> Subject: [BNU] The BrailleNote PC Drivers.
>> From: Ivan Cardenas <ivanjc96@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Hey all,
>> This isn't related directly to the BrailleNote itself, but it is about
>> it, if that makes any sence.
>> Anyways, I have installed the BrailleNote PC drivers on my GateWay
>> NetBook running Windows XP professional, minus the JAWS component
>> because I use NVDA.
>> The instalation goes as expected.
>> I connect the BN to the computer and make sure I have set the Braille
>> Terminal option to USB. Windows shows the found new hardware dialog. I
>> tell it to check for compatible drivers online.
>> It does it's thing for a while, then I get a jalog saying it couldn't find
>> it.
>> After I unplugged the BN, shut the terminal off, and started it again,
>> and plugged it into the computer, I get the windows error sound.
>> Is there something that I have done wrong, or a step I missed.
>> Please help, and thanks for any help anyone can offer.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:28:35 -0800
>> From: Terri Pannett <pann1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>>
>> No, grade 3 braille is not the same as braille shorthand. Braille
>> shorthand is a completely different system, designed for verbatim
>> notetaking. I did not like it, so I learned grade 3 braille, which is
>> designed for speed writing and the code makes sense.
>>
>> But I don't use grade 3 anymore because I can write fast enough without
>> it and because I don't need to save space. I don't emboss anything anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terri Amateur radio call sign KF6CA
>>
>>> On 2/21/2014 1:17 AM, Dave Sheridan wrote:
>>> Grade 3 is shorthand braille as used in the past by those training for
>>> shorthand and typing courses. Things have moved on considerably since and
>>> those likely to explore grade 3 would be doing it for precisely the same
>>> reasons as expressed here. As with any personal shorthand forms one might
>>> choose to use it must be remembered that these are for personal use and
>>> would not be recognised by most other braille users or notetakers like the
>>> bn.
>>> All the best from Dave
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On 21 Feb 2014, at 05:01, anthony <aluis.rivera25@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> hello alex and all. what is this grade 3? can someone explain, never
>>>> heard of it.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: Kristen <kskristen@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Date sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:31:54 -0500
>>>> Subject: [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>>>> The only way is to write it into a Keyword braille or BRF file, then never
>>>> translate it or try to read it with speech. Not good for moving between
>>>> the bn and any other non-braille devices, but good for, as you said,
>>>> writing very quickly.
>>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Kristen <kskristen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Hi--
>>>> I am beginning to learn grade 3 Braille, as I think it will help me type
>>>> notes for high school, and then college, more efficiently. I've never
>>>> come across an option for this, but is it possible to type in grade 3
>>>> Braille on the Apex? I don't want my entire keyboard in this code but am
>>>> trying to switch it over in KWB documents, like you do with computer
>>>> Braille. Or, would the best way to practice just be to type grade 3 into
>>>> a grade 2 file (I know this won't translate well in print, but I will know
>>>> what it means)?
>>>> Also, I recently signed up for NFB Newsline. I see an option on their
>>>> site to e-mail an entire publication or a section of one to yourself as an
>>>> attachment. Does this come through as a Daisy text only, or is there a
>>>> way to get an HTML edition e-mailed to you?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> --
>>>> Kristen
>>>> -------------------------------
>>>> BNU: BrailleNote Users - a forum for users of BrailleNote family of
>>>> products from Humanware.
>>>> Website: www.braillenoteusers.info
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>>>> Have a great day,
>>>> Alex
>>>> mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> -------------------------------
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:55:30 -0800
>> From: Carlos Lopez <carlos.lopez.1209@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Testing
>>
>> I put two dashes in my email signature, but for some reason, I've
>> noticed that only one comes out. If you receive this, let me
>> know offlist if two dashes come out or one.
>>
>> -
>> Carlos
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex BT 32 running KeySoft 9.4 build
>> 1226 from the HumanWare BrailleNote family
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:09:12 -0800
>> From: Marissa <pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] New apex
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So I just got the new Apex. Feels odd using a display again. I
>> have some questions though
>> In keychat, the sign looks like this: forow
>> is there a way to change it?
>> Also, through are two chords that I do not know what they are.
>>
>> O is a usb chord with a sort of box shaped on the other end, and
>> the other is a chord in a bag.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:14:43 -0800
>> From: Carlos Lopez <carlos.lopez.1209@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> First, congrats on the new Apex!!
>>
>> Second, no, I don't think you can change it. In the time I've
>> used keychat, I've always seen forow and I don't think it can be
>> changed.
>>
>> -
>> Carlos
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex BT 32 running KeySoft 9.4 build
>> 1226 from the HumanWare BrailleNote family
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marissa <pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: Braille note support <braillenote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:09:12 -0800
>> Subject: [BNU] New apex
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So I just got the new Apex. Feels odd using a display again. I
>> have some questions though
>> In keychat, the sign looks like this: forow
>> is there a way to change it?
>> Also, through are two chords that I do not know what they are.
>>
>> O is a usb chord with a sort of box shaped on the other end, and
>> the other is a chord in a bag.
>> -------------------------------
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>> of products from Humanware.
>> Website: www.braillenoteusers.info
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: Dave Sheridan <dsheridan65@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:22:40 +0000
>>
>> Thanks for correcting and enlightening me at the same time, Terry. I was
>> given a book for shorthand braille about 25 to 30 years ago now and it was
>> referred to as grade 3 at the time. It looked quite complicated so I didn't
>> delve too far into the book. My eldest brother did learn shorthand braille
>> when he trained as a shorthand typist and explained a little to me about it
>> where some signs which were the same had different meanings according to the
>> context of the sentence which again sounded quite demanding to me which
>> confirmed my decision not to try to learn it was a good one. Now that I have
>> learned grade 3 is different I shall follow the link Alex kindly provided us
>> with as hopefully this will be more accessible than the shorthand.
>>
>> All the best from Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On 20 Feb 2014, at 19:28, Terri Pannett <pann1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> No, grade 3 braille is not the same as braille shorthand. Braille
>>> shorthand is a completely different system, designed for verbatim
>>> notetaking. I did not like it, so I learned grade 3 braille, which is
>>> designed for speed writing and the code makes sense.
>>> But I don't use grade 3 anymore because I can write fast enough without it
>>> and because I don't need to save space. I don't emboss anything anymore.
>>> Terri Amateur radio call sign KF6CA
>>>> On 2/21/2014 1:17 AM, Dave Sheridan wrote:
>>>> Grade 3 is shorthand braille as used in the past by those training for
>>>> shorthand and typing courses. Things have moved on considerably since and
>>>> those likely to explore grade 3 would be doing it for precisely the same
>>>> reasons as expressed here. As with any personal shorthand forms one might
>>>> choose to use it must be remembered that these are for personal use and
>>>> would not be recognised by most other braille users or notetakers like the
>>>> bn.
>>>> All the best from Dave
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On 21 Feb 2014, at 05:01, anthony <aluis.rivera25@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> hello alex and all. what is this grade 3? can someone explain, never
>>>>> heard of it.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> To: Kristen <kskristen@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:31:54 -0500
>>>>> Subject: [BNU] Re: Grade 3 Braille and NFB Newsline Question
>>>>> The only way is to write it into a Keyword braille or BRF file, then
>>>>> never translate it or try to read it with speech. Not good for moving
>>>>> between the bn and any other non-braille devices, but good for, as you
>>>>> said, writing very quickly.
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Kristen <kskristen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Hi--
>>>>> I am beginning to learn grade 3 Braille, as I think it will help me type
>>>>> notes for high school, and then college, more efficiently. I've never
>>>>> come across an option for this, but is it possible to type in grade 3
>>>>> Braille on the Apex? I don't want my entire keyboard in this code but am
>>>>> trying to switch it over in KWB documents, like you do with computer
>>>>> Braille. Or, would the best way to practice just be to type grade 3 into
>>>>> a grade 2 file (I know this won't translate well in print, but I will
>>>>> know what it means)?
>>>>> Also, I recently signed up for NFB Newsline. I see an option on their
>>>>> site to e-mail an entire publication or a section of one to yourself as
>>>>> an attachment. Does this come through as a Daisy text only, or is there
>>>>> a way to get an HTML edition e-mailed to you?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kristen
>>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>> BNU: BrailleNote Users - a forum for users of BrailleNote family of
>>>>> products from Humanware.
>>>>> Website: www.braillenoteusers.info
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>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>> mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> -------------------------------
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>>>> -------------------------------
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:30:33 -0500
>> From: Mohamed <malhajamy@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>> Hi there, here's the meanings. foro means you said something,
>> forow means that the person you're talking too said something.
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Carlos Lopez <carlos.lopez.1209@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx
>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:14:43 -0800
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> First, congrats on the new Apex!!
>>
>> Second, no, I don't think you can change it. In the time I've
>> used keychat, I've always seen forow and I don't think it can be
>> changed.
>>
>> -
>> Carlos
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex BT 32 running KeySoft 9.4 build
>> 1226 from the HumanWare BrailleNote family
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marissa <pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: Braille note support <braillenote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:09:12 -0800
>> Subject: [BNU] New apex
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So I just got the new Apex. Feels odd using a display again. I
>> have some questions though
>> In keychat, the sign looks like this: forow
>> is there a way to change it?
>> Also, through are two chords that I do not know what they are.
>>
>> O is a usb chord with a sort of box shaped on the other end, and
>> the other is a chord in a bag.
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:44:47 -0600
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> I do know that there isn't a way to change the forow and foro things. I'm
>> not sure what the usb thing is. Try plugging it up to the BN and see what
>> happens. And the chord in the bag is probbably for plugging the BN up to the
>> computer.
>> sent from the braille plus
>> Marissa <pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> So I just got the new Apex. Feels odd using a display again. I
>>> have some questions though
>>> In keychat, the sign looks like this: forow
>>> is there a way to change it?
>>> Also, through are two chords that I do not know what they are.
>>> O is a usb chord with a sort of box shaped on the other end, and
>>> the other is a chord in a bag.
>>> -------------------------------
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: Tyler <programmer651@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:06:15 -0500
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>> I like to call them =o and ={ rather than foro and forow. Get it?
>> Tyler Z
>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:30:33 -0500, Mohamed wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there, here's the meanings. foro means you said something,
>>> forow means that the person you're talking too said something.
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Carlos Lopez <carlos.lopez.1209@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:14:43 -0800
>>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>> Hi,
>>> First, congrats on the new Apex!!
>>> Second, no, I don't think you can change it. In the time I've
>>> used keychat, I've always seen forow and I don't think it can be
>>> changed.
>>> -
>>> Carlos
>>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex BT 32 running KeySoft 9.4 build
>>> 1226 from the HumanWare BrailleNote family
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Marissa <pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: Braille note support <braillenote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:09:12 -0800
>>> Subject: [BNU] New apex
>>> Hi,
>>> So I just got the new Apex. Feels odd using a display again. I
>>> have some questions though
>>> In keychat, the sign looks like this: forow
>>> is there a way to change it?
>>> Also, through are two chords that I do not know what they are.
>>> O is a usb chord with a sort of box shaped on the other end, and
>>> the other is a chord in a bag.
>>> -------------------------------
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:07:03 -0600
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Ah yes, the serial port is for connecting the BN to a braille embosser.
>> sent from the braille plus
>> Megan Hudgins <hudginsmegan47@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Marissa,
>>> The USB with the little block at the end is a USB to serial cord.
>>> I've had my Apex since June and I haven't the slightest Idea as
>>> to what it's for. I think it's for connecting the BrailleNote to
>>> a PC, but it's easier to use a USB cord, especially since you
>>> don't really see serial ports that often anymore.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:56:07 -0500
>> From: Megan Hudgins <hudginsmegan47@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>> Marissa,
>> The USB with the little block at the end is a USB to serial cord.
>> I've had my Apex since June and I haven't the slightest Idea as
>> to what it's for. I think it's for connecting the BrailleNote to
>> a PC, but it's easier to use a USB cord, especially since you
>> don't really see serial ports that often anymore.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:15:23 -0800
>> From: Carlos Lopez <carlos.lopez.1209@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>> I think so too. However, I think usb ports are easier to use.
>>
>> --
>> Carlos
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex BT 32 running KeySoft 9.4 build
>> 1226 from the HumanWare BrailleNote family
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: Megan Hudgins <hudginsmegan47@xxxxxxxxx>,
>> pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx,braillenote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:07:03 -0600
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>> Ah yes, the serial port is for connecting the BN to a braille
>> embosser.
>> sent from the braille plus
>>
>> Megan Hudgins <hudginsmegan47@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Marissa,
>> The USB with the little block at the end is a USB to serial cord.
>> I've had my Apex since June and I haven't the slightest Idea as
>> to what it's for. I think it's for connecting the BrailleNote to
>> a PC, but it's easier to use a USB cord, especially since you
>> don't really see serial ports that often anymore.
>> 5??Rog~o
>> ?Y^6^\??nr~&{j|
>> y"?nW?)?95/
>> ?
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:24:15 -0800
>> From: Marissa <pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>>
>> Usb is a lot easer to use.
>>
>> Ok, I have another question,
>> I put NVDA on a computer at school to read it
>> How can that work the the BN as a display?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Carlos Lopez <carlos.lopez.1209@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx, hudginsmegan47@xxxxxxxxx,
>> pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx, braillenote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:15:23 -0800
>> Subject: re: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>> I think so too. However, I think usb ports are easier to use.
>>
>> --
>> Carlos
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex BT 32 running KeySoft 9.4 build
>> 1226 from the HumanWare BrailleNote family
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: Megan Hudgins <hudginsmegan47@xxxxxxxxx>,
>> pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx,braillenote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:07:03 -0600
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: New apex
>>
>> Ah yes, the serial port is for connecting the BN to a braille
>> embosser.
>> sent from the braille plus
>>
>> Megan Hudgins <hudginsmegan47@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Marissa,
>> The USB with the little block at the end is a USB to serial cord.
>> I've had my Apex since June and I haven't the slightest Idea as
>> to what it's for. I think it's for connecting the BrailleNote to
>> a PC, but it's easier to use a USB cord, especially since you
>> don't really see serial ports that often anymore.
>> 5??Rog~o
>> ?Y^6^\??nr~&{j|
>> y"?nW?)?95/
>> ?
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:37:13 -0800
>> From: Lorehna <glorehna@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] downloading music on the braillenote
>>
>> Hi I was wondering is there a way to download music on the
>> braillenote?
>> Thanks, Lorehna
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:47:05 -0800
>> From: Marissa <pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: downloading music on the braillenote
>>
>>
>> Yes, there is, if you go to a music site, like
>> www.mp3skull.com
>> and type in a song. Then backspace with o will take you to the
>> internet options menu, then go to internet file downloads
>> settings and when it says,
>> stream audio links?
>> press n
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Lorehna <glorehna@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: braillenote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:37:13 -0800
>> Subject: [BNU] downloading music on the braillenote
>>
>> Hi I was wondering is there a way to download music on the
>> braillenote?
>> Thanks, Lorehna
>> -------------------------------
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:48:05 -0600
>> Subject: [BNU] Re: downloading music on the braillenote
>> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Ah, so the skull works. That's a good site, actually. There is also mp3
>> jucces, which I recommended, but am not sure how well it works on the Apex.
>> It works on the braille plus 18 though.
>> sent from the braille plus
>> Marissa <pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, there is, if you go to a music site, like
>>> www.mp3skull.com
>>> and type in a song. Then backspace with o will take you to the
>>> internet options menu, then go to internet file downloads
>>> settings and when it says,
>>> stream audio links?
>>> press n
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Lorehna <glorehna@xxxxxxxxx
>>> To: braillenote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date sent: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:37:13 -0800
>>> Subject: [BNU] downloading music on the braillenote
>>> Hi I was wondering is there a way to download music on the
>>> braillenote?
>>> Thanks, Lorehna
>>> -------------------------------
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:42:30 -0800
>> From: Marissa <pianogirlforlife7@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] Playtime product key
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So, I am trying to play the scavengar hunt on the BN, (now that I
>> have a display), using the product key
>> playtime
>> can someone who is really good help?
>> Which is the falling piece? When I tried to do some pressing with
>> the thumb keys nothing happened.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: Ricardo Herrera <deathdogg@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] (ot) new list
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:24:43 -0800
>>
>> I know this is off topic, but don't know how else to advertise. I made a new
>> list. The address is the-tip-center@xxxxxxxxxxxxx to subscribe send a blank
>> email to the-tip-center-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Again, I'm sorry, and I know it's off topic, but don't know how else to
>> advertise. Thanks.
>>
>> Sent from my Braille Sense u2 through primary email address (deathdogg)
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Subject: [BNU] Need help with new sound pack.
>> From: robertpeck01@xxxxxxx
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 23:22:29 -0500 (EST)
>>
>> Can anyone give me a few sites to search for sounds on the bn.
>> Contact me off list and let me know.
>> My Gmail is robertpeck649@xxxxxxxxx
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Robert Peck
>> Sent from using the braillenote apex running ks 9.4 build 1226
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:28:35 -0800
>> From: Isaac Sebastian <isaacs1214@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [BNU] mp3 juices works well with the bn.
>>
>> Hello, all,
>>
>> I just tried a new mp3 downloading cite and it works very well
>> with the bn. The webcite is www.mp3juices.com. Please let me
>> know if you have any trouble with the cite.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Isaac Sebastian
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
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