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- From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
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- Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:44:12 EDT
Well, I think it is likely that there were pictures, but whoever scanned it
left no indication of that, either in the way of description or in the way
of an announcement that there was even a picture present. I was left with
nothing but text. The text was perfect.
"Philosophers have merely interpreted the world in
various ways; the point is to change it." Karl Marx
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chuckle. Roger, If the book about Big Bird only took you about 10 minutes
to proof read I'm willing to bet you didn't describe any illustrations if
there
were any Do you live with someone who is sighted? Is the book a Sesame
Street book with a whole story and quite a few Characters
Are you up for a friendly challenge? How about adding descriptions to that
book? How would you describe big bird, for example? O.K., he's yellow, but
how
tall is he? In terms that a child can imagine? As tall as a house? 6f feet
Has a blind child seen how tall a house is? As tall a very large tree?
Actually,
if you say 6 feet and the child has a 6-foot tall relative whose head he
can reach up to or his/herparent has a yardstick and puts two of them
together
and holds the child up to reach the top that would probably be good--
yardstick Has a child seen one to understand? Is big bird smooth? Does he have
feathers
such as other birds that a child might have felt? You and I know that the
answer to that is no. My challenge, if you care to accept is, reproof the
book
including adding illustration descriptions and let us know how long it took
you big smile.
Cindy
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> "Philosophers have merely interpreted the world in
> various ways; the point is to change it." Karl
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> I can attest to the fact that books for very young children
> are difficult both to scan, for the reasons Evan and Lissi
> mentioned--and difficult for proofreaders
>
> not only because the pictures have to be described but
> because the text as E &L say, often doesn't scan
> because of the colored background and the fancy
>
> fonts. so the proofreader has to type in the text.
>
> But it's the picture descriptions that I hated
> doing--and until we got several other sighted volunteers who
> didn't mind doing them, I was the only one.
>
> It's hard for a sighted person to describe a picture to
> a blind person because we don't have a common frame
> of reference. If a person has never seen
>
> a picture of a unicorn and I say the picture is of a fairy
> riding a unicorn I'd better describe a unicorn. If I
> say, as in "Officer Buckle and Gloria"
>
> Another boy is leaning back in his seat with his legs
> propped over the back of the seat in front of him. He’s
> playing the dot game on paper with another
>
> student. I think I'd better describe what the dot game
> is, though in this case it wasn't essential to the
> story--it was enough to indicate that the boys
>
> weren't paying attention. But to say that the sign said
> Don't ever stand on a swivel chair--what does that mean
> to someone who has never seen a swivel
>
> chair. but now that I think of it--I don't think I did
>
> explain what a swivel chair is. Sometimes I figured the
> adult could look up a thing on the internet. There usually
> are good descriptions along with the
>
> picture. I had to look up a wall fixture gas lamp and read
> the description in order to explain how it worked-- really
> learned to think very carefully
>
> about what I was saying when I described an illustration in
> The Man Who Walked Between the Towers
>
> Ithink I said that he was carrying a balance pole. Someone
> asked either what a balance pole was or how he how held the
> balance pole. I said he held it
>
> perpendicular to the wire, meaning across the wire as
> opposed to in the same direction as or horizontal to the
> wire. Fortunatley Shelley quickly clarified.
>
> I didn't realize that perpendicular to the wire could
> be construed as upright on the wire
>
>
>
> One book, among many, that I didn't enjoy describing
> the illustrations of is Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. I
> groaned when my 2-and-half-year-old-grandaughter
>
> brought it to me asked me o read it to her. She'stoo
> young to fully enjoy the story, but maybe she likes the
> pictures. But I think she likes the book
>
> because her uncle gave it to her because it was one of his
> favorite books when he was a little boy.
>
>
>
> Cindy
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> --- On Fri, 4/17/09, EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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> > From: EVAN REESE <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: New Books (59) for
> April 17
>
> > To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> > Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 11:34 AM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> > It would be interesting to
>
> > hear some numbers. Also,
>
> > Lissi and I have often said that it would be neat to
> be
>
> > able to see how many
>
> > downloads there were of any particular book. You
>
> > wouldn't see any names, just a
>
> > number, so there would be no privacy concerns.
>
> >
>
> > But as to whether
>
> > children's books are the easiest
>
> > to scan and proofread: Well, the ones for older kids
> are
>
> > usually very easy,
>
> > since they tend to be mostly text, like most fiction
> books
>
> > for adults, but
>
> > usually shorter. However, the books for younger
> children
>
> > are definitely not
>
> > easier to scan, often much harder than many other
> kinds of
>
> > books. They often
>
> > have odd fonts, poor and changing contrast, lots of
>
> > pictures with text above
>
> > and/or below them, or on either side, or on both
> sides.
>
> > They can be very hard to
>
> > scan, sometimes just impossible. And, with those with
> lots
>
> > of pictures, you
>
> > don't really have much text if you don't
> describe
>
> > the pictures. So, in addition
>
> > to extra work just getting the text to come out, they
> can
>
> > be a good deal of work
>
> > for any submitter or proofreader who wants to do a
>
> > conscientious
>
> > job.
>
> >
>
> > Lissi and I have done a
>
> > good many kids books, both
>
> > the easy ones for older kids, and the harder ones for
>
> > younger children, and we
>
> > do wonder how many children actually read them. It
> would
>
> > be interesting to know how many children use
> Bookshare..
>
> > Also, Lissi and I have
>
> > often thought that it would be neat to be able to see
> how
>
> > many downloads there
>
> > were of any particular book. You wouldn't see any
>
> > names, just a number, so there
>
> > would be no privacy concerns.
>
> >
>
> > But we do know that some
>
> > adults and kids are
>
> > reading children's books. We have heard
> occasional
>
> > feedback from adults such as
>
> > Monica W, who have expressed appreciation for the
> work
>
> > we've done on books for
>
> > young kids. So we know that at least they are being
> read by
>
> > some adults to their
>
> > young friends or relatives. This is always a lift when
> we
>
> > hear that kind of
>
> > thing. And there are the videos that I and others
> have
>
> > mentioned here of kids in
>
> > schools who use Bookshare to read books, not just for
>
> > education, but for fun
>
> > too.
>
> >
>
> > Evan
>
> >
>
> >
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> > ----- Original Message
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> > Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
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> > To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > Sent: Friday, April
>
> > 17, 2009 1:43
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> > PM
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> > Subject:
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> > [bookshare-discuss] Re: New
>
> > Books (59) for April 17
>
> >
>
> > That comment about children's books
>
> > being the
>
> > most numerous points up something I have quietly
> noticed
>
> > myself. Are there
>
> > really that many children who use Bookshare? Or
> could it
>
> > be that children's
>
> > books are just the easiest to scan and proofread?
> I am
>
> > not taking a position.
>
> > I am just wondering.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > "Philosophers have merely
>
> > interpreted the world in various ways; the point
> is to
>
> > change it." Karl
>
> > Marx
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> > Children's books, which seem to be the
>
> > most numerous every day, are
>
> > placed at the bottom of the
>
> > list.
>
> >
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > THE
>
> > BLUE CORN MURDERS (EUGENIA POTTER MYSTERY #5), BY
> NANCY
>
> > PICKARD
>
> > Brief
>
> > Synopsis:
>
> > Eugenia Potter, 64, finds old, broken pottery on her
> ranch
>
> > and
>
> > attends an
>
> > Archaeological Camp to learn more about the Indians
> who
>
> > made it
>
> > long ago.
>
> > Along with lessons on ancient peoples, she is
> confronted
>
> > with 2
>
> > deaths
>
> > and the disappearance of 3 vanloads of gifted kids.
>
> > Includes 5
>
> > recipes.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 265 Pages
>
> > Categories:
>
> > Cooking, Food and Wine, Literature and Fiction,
> Mystery
>
> > and
>
> >
>
> > Thrillers
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > YOU
>
> > MAY NOT TIE AN ALLIGATOR TO A FIRE HYDRANT: 101
> REAL DUMB
>
> > LAWS, BY
>
> > ANDY
>
> > POWELL AND JEFF KOON
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > This hilarious collection of 101
>
> > bizarre state laws from across the USA
>
> > is by the teenage creators of the
>
> > successful website, DumbLaws.com.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 160
>
> > Pages
>
> > Categories: Entertainment, Nonfiction,
>
> > Reference
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > CIVILIZED
>
> > MEN: A JAMES TOWNE TRAGEDY: A NOVEL, BY IVOR
> NOEL-HUME
>
> > Brief
>
> > Synopsis:
>
> > This is the story of the clash between one
> civilization and
>
> >
>
> > another; one
>
> > religion and another. The brutalities common in
> England in
>
> > the
>
> > 17th
>
> > century contrast with ritual-related penalties
> acceptable
>
> > to the
>
> > Indians.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 276 Pages
>
> > Categories:
>
> > History, Literature and
>
> > Fiction
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > LARK AND
>
> > TERMITE, BY JAYNE ANNE PHILLIPS
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > An intricate novel of
>
> > family life set in the 1950's. Lark and
> Termite are
>
> > brother and sister.
>
> > Termite can neither walk nor talk, but Lark has
>
> > dreams enough for the both
>
> > of them.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 257 Pages
>
> > Categories:
>
> > History, Military, Disability-Related, Literature
> and
>
> > Fiction
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > SARAH
>
> > AND AFTER: FIVE WOMEN WHO FOUNDED A NATION, BY
> LYNNE REID
>
> > BANKS
>
> > Brief
>
> > Synopsis:
>
> > Relates the lives of four generations of women who
> became
>
> > the
>
> > matriarchs
>
> > of the Hebrew nation.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size:
>
> > 184 Pages
>
> > Categories: History, Literature and Fiction, Religion
> and
>
> > Spirituality
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > AN
>
> > END TO RUNNING, BY LYNNE REID BANKS
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > Martha Fletcher's
>
> > interview experience at Aaron Franks' office
> leads
>
> > her
>
> > to a new
>
> > life..
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 288 Pages
>
> > Categories:
>
> > Literature and
>
> > Fiction
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > HEX
>
> > MARKS THE SPOT (BEWITCHING MYSTERIES #3), BY
> MADELYN ALT
>
> > Brief
>
> > Synopsis:
>
> > When Maggie and her boss who is a practicing witch go
> to a
>
> > market
>
> > to
>
> > purchase home-made furniture, they meet a
> good-looking
>
> > Amish man who
>
> > also
>
> > makes spectacular furniture. When he is murdered, can
>
> > Maggie figure
>
> > out
>
> > who did it?
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 435
>
> > Pages
>
> > Categories: Literature and Fiction, Mystery and
>
> > Thrillers
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > TRUE
>
> > DETECTIVES, BY JONATHAN KELLERMAN
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > In Jonathan
>
> > Kellerman's gripping novels, the city of Los
> Angeles
>
> > is as
>
> > much a living,
>
> > breathing character as the heroes and villains who
> roam
>
> > its labyrinthine
>
> > streets.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 373 Pages
>
> > Categories:
>
> > Literature and Fiction, Mystery and
>
> > Thrillers
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > CODE
>
> > TALKER, BY JOSEPH BRUCHAC
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > Throughout World War II, in
>
> > the conflict fought against Japan, Navajo
>
> > code talkers were a crucial part
>
> > of the U.S. effort, sending messages
>
> > back and forth in an unbreakable code
>
> > that used their native language.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 231
>
> > Pages
>
> > Categories: Military, Teens, Literature and
>
> > Fiction
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > GEEKS:
>
> > HOW TWO LOST BOYS RODE THE INTERNET OUT OF IDAHO,
> BY JON
>
> > KATZ
>
> > Brief
>
> > Synopsis:
>
> > Jesse and Eric were roommates in the tiny town of
> Caldwell,
>
> >
>
> > Idaho,
>
> > nineteen-year-old working class kids eking out a
> living
>
> > with
>
> > their
>
> > seven-dollar-an-hour jobs selling and fixing
> computers.
>
> > College was
>
> > never
>
> > in the cards.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 225
>
> > Pages
>
> > Categories: Nonfiction, Biographies and Memoirs,
> Computers
>
> > and
>
> > Internet
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > THE
>
> > MAGIC APPLE TREE: A COUNTRY YEAR, BY SUSAN HILL
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > Looking
>
> > out from Moon Cottage, Susan Hill records the
> sights and
>
> > smells,
>
> > the
>
> > people, gardens, animals, births, festivals and
> deaths
>
> > that mark
>
> > the
>
> > changing seasons in the small Oxfordshire community
> over a
>
> > year.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 200 Pages
>
> > Categories:
>
> > Nonfiction, Biographies and Memoirs, Outdoors and
>
>
> > Nature
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > THE SIGHT
>
> > SICKNESS, BY CHRISTINE FALTZ GROSSMAN
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > It is time to rip
>
> > the latest literary fashions off the age-old
>
> > manipulations of
>
> > blindness.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 112 Pages
>
> > Categories:
>
> > Nonfiction,
>
> > Disability-Related
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > TOXIC
>
> > FAITH: UNDERSTANDING AND OVERCOMING RELIGIOUS
> ADDICTION,
>
> > BY JACK
>
> > FELTON AND
>
> > STEPHEN ARTERBURN
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > Well-meaning people can turn religion
>
> > into an addiction, an addiction
>
> > that can be used to avoid pain, reality and
>
> > fear. This is toxic faith.
>
> > This book deals with overcoming such
>
> > faith.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 312 Pages
>
> > Categories:
>
> > Nonfiction, Self-Help, Health, Mind and Body,
> Religion
>
> > and
>
> >
>
> > Spirituality
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > WHAT
>
> > WE LEAVE BEHIND, BY ARIC MCBAY AND DERRICK JENSEN
>
> > Brief
>
> > Synopsis:
>
> > Life--human and nonhuman--will not go on unless we do
>
> > everything
>
> > we can
>
> > to facilitate the most basic process on earth, the
> root
>
> > of
>
> > sustainability: one being's waste must always
> become
>
> > another being's
>
> > food.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 456 Pages
>
> > Categories:
>
> > Nonfiction, Science, Outdoors and
>
> > Nature
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > BLACK
>
> > COLLEGES OF ATLANTA (THE CAMPUS HISTORY SERIES),
> BY
>
> > RODNEY T. COHEN
>
> > Brief
>
> > Synopsis:
>
> > By 1865, although Atlanta and the Confederacy still
> lay
>
> > wounded
>
> > in the
>
> > wake of the Union victory, black higher education
> began its
>
> > thrust
>
> > for
>
> > recognition.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 128
>
> > Pages
>
> > Categories: Textbooks and Educational Materials,
> History,
>
> > Nonfiction,
>
> >
>
> > Reference
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > CONVERSE
>
> > COLLEGE (THE CAMPUS HISTORY SERIES), BY JEFFREY
> R.
>
> > WILLIS
>
> > Brief
>
> > Synopsis:
>
> > In the foothills of South Carolina lies the
> beautiful,
>
> > historic
>
> > college
>
> > known as Converse.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 128
>
> > Pages
>
> > Categories: Textbooks and Educational Materials,
> History,
>
> > Nonfiction,
>
> >
>
> > Reference
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > GENOGRAMS:
>
> > ASSESSMENT AND INTERVENTION (3RD EDITION), BY
> SUELI PETRY
>
> > AND
>
> > RANDY GERSON
>
> > AND MONICA MCGOLDRICK
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > Widely used by both family
>
> > therapists and health care professionals, the
>
> > genogram is a graphic way of
>
> > organizing the mass of information gathered
>
> > during a family assessment and
>
> > finding patterns in the family system for
>
> > more targeted treatment.
>
> > Book
>
> > Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 394 Pages
>
> > Categories: Textbooks and
>
> > Educational Materials, Nonfiction,
>
> > Professional
>
> > and
>
> > Technical
>
> >
> =======================================================
>
> > THE
>
> > RITUAL PROCESS, BY VICTOR TURNER
>
> > Brief Synopsis:
>
> > Victor Turner here
>
> > examines the rituals of the Ndembu in Zambia and
>
> > develops his concept of
>
> > "Communitas," which he characterizes as
> an
>
> > absolute inter-human relation
>
> > beyond any form of structure.
>
> > Book Quality: Excellent
>
> > Book Size: 225
>
> > Pages
>
> > Categories: Textbooks and Educational Materials,
>
> > History
>
> >
> =======================================================
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