Hi,
The ribbons are pretty straightforward depending on the screen reader you
are using. I have not yet learned NVDA so I can't comment on that or Window
Eyes, however, if you are using Jaws I can tell you the ribbon is very
simple if you don't bother with that virtual ribbon setting in Jaws and just
use your navigation keys on your keyboard for everything. For example while
typing this email in Outlook 2016 if I tap the Alt key I will immediately go
to the upper ribbon. That gives me the option of Message, Insert, Options,
Format Text, or Review tabs. I just use my left and right arrow keys to
navigate to the desired tab for example Options tab. Once I navigate to that
tab I tab to the options under the Options tab which sounds clumsy saying it
that way I know but I tab or shift + tab and I am navigating through my
choices in the lower ribbon. For example in this message Themes, colors,
fonts, effects, and so on. Jaws usually tells me if there is a sub-menu and
more choices available in that menu and I can hit space once I see a choice
I wish to make. For example in this message if I tab a few times past the
group box for BCC in the lower ribbon I see a check box for request read
receipt. I would never use that on a list, however, the option is right
there, smile! I can just hit the space bar and it will bring me back down to
the message and my ribbon navigation is complete.
Hope that helped.
Merv
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Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:03 PM
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Hi, David: as you know I have been using windows 10 for some time. One area
that I haven't delved into is that of the sound notifications that you
mentioned. Also, a problem I am having is getting my documents and downloads
to read in a list order. The ribbons continue to confound me.
A part from that I also find it very stable and user friendly.
On 11/26/2015 3:24 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Merv (and anybody else who is interested), Thanks for your thoughts
and experiences regarding Windows 10. After using it for just a few
days I'll provide my own feedback to you to see if it meshes at all
with your own experiences and opinions.
You mentioned your dislike of the new system sounds. For me, I think
they sound quite pleasant except that many of them are so similar
that, when I hear a sound, I can't immediately tell whether it means I
have a notification, new mail or a prompt from the user account
control. It's for that reason that I will soon go into sound settings
and will also begin changing a few of them. I really want the UAC
alert to sound more like the UAC alerts I'm used to with Windows 7.
Next, the startup time is amazingly fast. I knew this was promised but
I didn't expect to see this on this older system. With Windows 7, it
took about 50 to 60 seconds before I heard my screen reader begin
talking at the logon screen. The same system with Windows 10 takes 25
seconds or less.
I find it to be incredibly stable, as much as, perhaps more so than
Windows 7 and Win7 was stable for me. I know I haven't even used it
for a week but I don't think I needed to restart the system due to
flaky or otherwise erratic behavior.
I love the new Settings app. To provide a bit of context for JAWS
users, it is similar to the Settings Center found in newer versions of
JAWS. The Settings app has not yet replaced the control panel and I am
assuming that this is a long-term goal for Microsoft for this to
happen. I like the layout.
On an early demo of the Win10 start menu, pressing the Windows key
said something like "search box, edit", almost like Windows 7. On my
machine, it says "cortana window, search box edit."
I have not yet used Cortana but am planning to order a headset mic for
this purpose.
I was honestly flabbergasted that common subfolders in the user
folder, such as documents, music and pictures did not seem to be
present, by default, in the start menu. Yes, File Explorer is there
and I was eventually able to get to the folders I wanted to add via
one of the items in the Settings app but I really don't think this
should have been necessary.
Also, it seems to be much harder to take something in the start menu
and use the right-click menu to send that item to the desktop as I so
easily did with earlier versions of Windows. As an example, I'd like
to be able to use the context menu for "documents" and choose "Send
To" and copy that folder to the desktop. There are ways to do this but
it seems difficult, even impossible, from the first screen of the
start menu. If I'm missing something, would someone please fill in the
missing pieces for me?
While I don't recommend this for new or casual users, I love the fact
that Microsoft makes it very easy for users to be a part of the
insider program to receive early updates, either slowly or more
frequently via the "fast ring."
Again, I overall am really liking Windows 10. Between the new OS, the
8 GB of RAM and my larger hard drive I honestly feel like I have a
brand new computer. The whole thing is just so stable and responsive
that I am very pleased with what I see so far.
David Goldfield
Assistive Technology Specialist
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On 11/23/2015 11:23 AM, Merv Keck wrote:
David,
If you have not used Windows 10 before you will enjoy it once you
become accustomed to the differences from your last OS. I am
currently tweaking all my system sounds now just because I can. I
have pretty much all my favorite system sounds back the way they were
before the upgrade to Windows 10 and eventually I am going to make a
few new wav files just for fun. The Windows
10 sound scheme is annoying to me, laughs! and they only give you
default or none.
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[mailto:blind-philly-comp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
Goldfield
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:55 AM
To: blind-philly-comp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-philly-comp] Update on My Computer/Good News
I just received a call from one of the folks in the shop regarding
the status of my computer and he informed me that my computer is
ready to come home. It has a new and larger hard drive, along with
Windows 10. I was informed that its speed is quite fast, which really
pleases me. My wife and I will be heading to the shop tomorrow to
pick it up. Consequently, I expect, a bit ironically, to be offline
for much of the day as I slowly build everything back up by
reinstalling all of the software I regularly use. My first tas, after
physically setting it back up, is to install the new 2015.4 of NVDA.
Sadly, I tried installing it on my iPhone but it didn't seem to work.
<grin> Next, I need to replace its preinstalled Windows Defender with
Kaspersky for my malware protection. After that, I'll install
Thunderbird and set up my email accounts, followed by Firefox, which
is my preferred Web browser. If I can do all of that in one day that
will be a nice start although there's still Microsoft Office,
Libreoffice, iTunes, WinBT for my occasional Braille translation
tasks, setting up hotkeys for my various files and folders, Tapin
Radio, etc.
I will likely not be posting all that much during the next week but
I'll be monitoring this list as time allows.
Take care.
David Goldfield
Assistive Technology Specialist
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