I just spoke to someone I know who is a tech for FS about an hour ago and
they indicated that they are using WLM and Jaws 17 and they were having
similar issues. They said they had their view set to group messages by
conversation and that this is a known issue while viewing messages in that
manner. I would be interested in knowing if other Jaws and WLM users are
having the same issue. I will see if I can install WLM myself tomorrow and
duplicate it. I know Outlook 2016 also gives me fits when I group by
conversation.
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[mailto:blind-philly-comp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin nelson
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:49 PM
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I do have the latest build of Jaws 17 and the issue still persists.
On 11/27/2015 1:59 PM, Merv Keck wrote:
Hi,any time soon.
I will ask some WLM users who use both Jaws 16 and 17 if that issue
has been solved. As far as I know Freedom Scientific had not released
a fix for WLM for quite some time. It sounds as if you may be using
Jaws 16 and I have heard many people having issues with WLM not
reading all the information in messages as well as conversation
status. I also know Freedom is aware of all of the issues but since
WLM has not been updated since 2012 I'm not expecting anything from them
One thing I can say though is if you are running Jaws 16 make sure youare claiming.
have the latest version that just came out a few weeks ago. And if you
are eligible for 17 you might want to give that a try because it does
handle some things better. They have improved stability quite a bit
over the last few months no matter what the competition on the other lists
And I don't work for FS or receive anything from them whatsoever for7.
saying that.
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nelson
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Subject: [blind-philly-comp] Re: Update on My Computer/Good News
Hi, Merv: I am having the problem in windos live mail and getting the
emails to display the name of the sender. I can get to to view option
in the ribbins but from there I am unable to get it to show both the
subject and the sender. Any help would be appreciated.
On 11/26/2015 10:14 PM, Merv Keck wrote:
Hi,and it will bring me back down to the message and my ribbon navigation
The ribbons are pretty straightforward depending on the screen reader
you are using. I have not yet learned NVDA so I can't comment on that
or Window Eyes, however, if you are using Jaws I can tell you the
ribbon is very simple if you don't bother with that virtual ribbon
setting in Jaws and just use your navigation keys on your keyboard
for everything. For example while typing this email in Outlook 2016
if I tap the Alt key I will immediately go to the upper ribbon. That
gives me the option of Message, Insert, Options, Format Text, or
Review tabs. I just use my left and right arrow keys to navigate to
the desired tab for example Options tab. Once I navigate to that tab
I tab to the options under the Options tab which sounds clumsy saying
it that way I know but I tab or shift + tab and I am navigating
through my choices in the lower ribbon. For example in this message
Themes, colors, fonts, effects, and so on. Jaws usually tells me if
there is a sub-menu and more choices available in that menu and I can
hit space once I see a choice I wish to make. For example in this
message if I tab a few times past the group box for BCC in the lower
ribbon I see a check box for request read receipt. I would never use
that on a list, however, the option is right there, smile! I can just
hit the space bar
is complete.
Hope that helped.confound me.
Merv
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nelson
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:03 PM
To: blind-philly-comp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-philly-comp] Re: Update on My Computer/Good News
Hi, David: as you know I have been using windows 10 for some time.
One area that I haven't delved into is that of the sound
notifications that you mentioned. Also, a problem I am having is
getting my documents and downloads to read in a list order. The
ribbons continue to
A part from that I also find it very stable and user friendly.
On 11/26/2015 3:24 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Merv (and anybody else who is interested), Thanks for your thoughts
and experiences regarding Windows 10. After using it for just a few
days I'll provide my own feedback to you to see if it meshes at all
with your own experiences and opinions.
You mentioned your dislike of the new system sounds. For me, I think
they sound quite pleasant except that many of them are so similar
that, when I hear a sound, I can't immediately tell whether it means
I have a notification, new mail or a prompt from the user account
control. It's for that reason that I will soon go into sound
settings and will also begin changing a few of them. I really want
the UAC alert to sound more like the UAC alerts I'm used to with Windows
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info for additional resources and information aboutNVDA.Next, the startup time is amazingly fast. I knew this was promised
but I didn't expect to see this on this older system. With Windows
7, it took about 50 to 60 seconds before I heard my screen reader
begin talking at the logon screen. The same system with Windows 10
takes 25 seconds or less.
I find it to be incredibly stable, as much as, perhaps more so than
Windows 7 and Win7 was stable for me. I know I haven't even used it
for a week but I don't think I needed to restart the system due to
flaky or otherwise erratic behavior.
I love the new Settings app. To provide a bit of context for JAWS
users, it is similar to the Settings Center found in newer versions
of JAWS. The Settings app has not yet replaced the control panel and
I am assuming that this is a long-term goal for Microsoft for this
to happen. I like the layout.
On an early demo of the Win10 start menu, pressing the Windows key
said something like "search box, edit", almost like Windows 7. On my
machine, it says "cortana window, search box edit."
I have not yet used Cortana but am planning to order a headset mic
for this purpose.
I was honestly flabbergasted that common subfolders in the user
folder, such as documents, music and pictures did not seem to be
present, by default, in the start menu. Yes, File Explorer is there
and I was eventually able to get to the folders I wanted to add via
one of the items in the Settings app but I really don't think this
should have been necessary.
Also, it seems to be much harder to take something in the start menu
and use the right-click menu to send that item to the desktop as I
so easily did with earlier versions of Windows. As an example, I'd
like to be able to use the context menu for "documents" and choose
"Send To" and copy that folder to the desktop. There are ways to do
this but it seems difficult, even impossible, from the first screen
of the start menu. If I'm missing something, would someone please
fill in the missing pieces for me?
While I don't recommend this for new or casual users, I love the
fact that Microsoft makes it very easy for users to be a part of the
insider program to receive early updates, either slowly or more
frequently via the "fast ring."
Again, I overall am really liking Windows 10. Between the new OS,
the
8 GB of RAM and my larger hard drive I honestly feel like I have a
brand new computer. The whole thing is just so stable and responsive
that I am very pleased with what I see so far.
David Goldfield
Assistive Technology Specialist
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On 11/23/2015 11:23 AM, Merv Keck wrote:
David,
If you have not used Windows 10 before you will enjoy it once you
become accustomed to the differences from your last OS. I am
currently tweaking all my system sounds now just because I can. I
have pretty much all my favorite system sounds back the way they
were before the upgrade to Windows 10 and eventually I am going to
make a few new wav files just for fun. The Windows
10 sound scheme is annoying to me, laughs! and they only give you
default or none.
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Goldfield
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:55 AM
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Subject: [blind-philly-comp] Update on My Computer/Good News
I just received a call from one of the folks in the shop regarding
the status of my computer and he informed me that my computer is
ready to come home. It has a new and larger hard drive, along with
Windows 10. I was informed that its speed is quite fast, which
really pleases me. My wife and I will be heading to the shop
tomorrow to pick it up. Consequently, I expect, a bit ironically,
to be offline for much of the day as I slowly build everything back
up by reinstalling all of the software I regularly use. My first
tas, after physically setting it back up, is to install the new
2015.4 of
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<grin> Next, I need to replace its preinstalled Windows Defender
with Kaspersky for my malware protection. After that, I'll install
Thunderbird and set up my email accounts, followed by Firefox,
which is my preferred Web browser. If I can do all of that in one
day that will be a nice start although there's still Microsoft
Office, Libreoffice, iTunes, WinBT for my occasional Braille
translation tasks, setting up hotkeys for my various files and
folders, Tapin Radio, etc.
I will likely not be posting all that much during the next week but
I'll be monitoring this list as time allows.
Take care.
David Goldfield
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