Excerpt: "In a candid interview with Tim Teeman, a straight-shooting Jane
Sanders talks superdelegates, her husband's temperament, the need for party
unity, and missing her family."
Bernie Sanders with his wife Jane Sanders. (photo: Brian Snyder/Reuters)
Jane Sanders: Bernie and I Will Vote Hillary if We Have To
By Tim Teeman, The Daily Beast
14 April 16
In a candid interview with Tim Teeman, a straight-shooting Jane Sanders
talks superdelegates, her husband's temperament, the need for party unity,
and missing her family.
Jane Sanders and her husband Bernie will support Hillary Clinton if the
latter beats Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential nomination race.
Mrs. Sanders, in an interview with The Daily Beast on Wednesday, said they
would hope Bernie's supporters would follow their lead.
Conversely, if Bernie Sanders secured the nomination, Mrs. Sanders said she
hoped Clinton and her supporters would support him.
In a wide-ranging, candid interview, Mrs. Sanders also said the
superdelegate system-currently weighted significantly in Clinton's favor-was
unfair, yet predicted that she is hopeful that a number of those
superdelegates, and their thousands of votes, could be convinced to switch
their support from Clinton to her husband.
The Daily Beast spoke to Mrs. Sanders with just hours to go before Bernie
Sanders's rally in New York's Washington Square, and just a week until New
York Democrats pick a primary winner.
"I know Donald Trump has complained about the system," Mrs. Sanders said.
"We're not going to complain about it. We knew the rules going in. We don't
like the rules. We don't think it's good for democracy. I think it's crazy
that in New York anybody who wanted to vote for Bernie had to make a change
last October to say they were in the Democratic Party. Anybody who is
independent cannot vote."
Mrs. Sanders said her husband's campaign was "trying to reinvigorate the
party and we are. We are bringing many, many more people in across the
country and yet in New York they're slamming the door on those people. They
can't have a voice. That seems counterproductive to what the Democratic
Party wants to accomplish in terms of winning not just the presidency, but
to win governors' seats and seats in the House and Senate."
She dismissed Clinton campaign claims that Bernie's camp was attempting to
"rig" the election by "flipping" the votes of superdelegates. "How could we
be rigging it? We're not in charge of anything," she said, laughing.
"Superdelegates, first off, I think, are silly. They're 30 percent of the
vote that a candidate needs to become the nominee. How fair is that? I am a
voter. I have one vote, yet you're a superdelegate and count for thousands
and thousands of votes. That doesn't make any sense at all. 'One person, one
vote' is what democracy is supposed to be about."
The "rigging" claims did not "make sense," Mrs. Sanders said.
"In 2008, many superdelegates had signed up for Hillary Clinton, very early,
before Barack Obama."
The same was true this year, though this time the opponent was Bernie
Sanders, she said.
"In the end in 2008, the superdelegates moved to Barack Obama. This year,
the superdelegates have not been counted yet, their votes have not been
cast. Some are saying now they support Hillary Clinton. About half.
"If the superdelegates are using their judgment, my hope is that they are
looking at what is happening in this race-that he [Bernie Sanders] has won
eight of the nine most recent races, that he has far better polling numbers
against all the Republicans, that he can get not just Democrats but
Independents.
"Even in his last Senate race, 25 percent of Republicans in our state voted
for him-and we can do that nationally as well. He's in a much better
position to be the Democratic Party candidate. Superdelegates will make up
their minds. It has nothing to do with rigging, but it could happen just
like it happened in 2008."
On the more rancorous exchanges between the Sanders and Clinton campaigns,
Mrs. Sanders said, "I think if you compare it to the Republicans it's
nothing. I think it's been difficult for us to have distortions of the
record, when really what we want to focus on is a clear choice between the
two candidates."
For Mrs. Sanders, "there is a stark difference" between her husband and
Hillary Clinton, "in a number of areas. That's what we should be talking
about, that's good for democracy, that's what people need to hear."
When asked if she ever advised her husband to moderate his tone, Mrs.
Sanders said he was being criticized over a statement he made in response to
the Clinton strategy to "disqualify and defeat" him, "and worry about
uniting the party later."
Mrs. Sanders was referring to an unnamed top Clinton advisor's battle plan,
as conveyed to CNN last week.
"Then we watched surrogate after surrogate and Secretary Clinton herself on
the air attempting to disqualify him, which means to make [him seem]
unqualified," Mrs. Sanders said.
She said that her husband, in response, "had said 'Let's talk about the
issues' about what makes somebody unqualified.
"His attempt may not have been as articulate as we might have preferred, but
his attempt was to turn the page to say, 'Let's look at trade: Secretary
Clinton is pro-free trade, pro-NAFTA, pro permanent trade relations with
China, and pro-TPP [the Trans-Pacific Partnership], until the very end,
after it was too late.'"
Her husband, she added, had noted that Clinton had voted in favor of the
Iraq War, having seen the same information that had led Bernie Sanders to
vote against it.
Mrs. Sanders said, "Secretary Clinton has a regime change policy that was
borne out of Libya. Bernie does not believe in regime change policy. He was
trying to say, 'OK, if you're looking at who's qualified, let's look at the
qualifications you're looking for as a voter.' I think the media has made
more of it than either candidate."
This reporter asked Mrs. Sanders if she was concerned that voters in both
the Clinton and Sanders camps were so partisan they would not vote for the
other Democratic candidate in a general election. She replied that "they
[Democrat voters] were feeling annoyed at both sides. If Bernie wins,
hopefully Secretary Clinton's supporters will support him, and if she wins
we hope our supporters will support her. It's nowhere near as rancorous as
it was between Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton back then."
Would her husband support Clinton if she became the candidate?
"I think both of them will support the other," said Mrs. Sanders.
Her husband's temperament has also come under scrutiny. When asked if she
had ever advised him to "take it down a notch," Mrs. Sanders said, "No, no,
no.
"I think everybody has seemed annoyed at times," she added. "I remember
Secretary Clinton looking quite angry. I think we're talking about important
issues that affect people's lives. 25 percent of our children in America
live in poverty. Yeah, that's something to be angry about. Climate change is
real, and the fossil fuel industry is pouring tons and tons of money into
campaign contributions. That's something to be angry about.
"You look: 18,500 people in the South Bronx last week. Nobody was worried
about his temperament. They were wild about his ideas he was bringing forth
and saying, 'We are with you, we are going to work for the same ideas.'"
When asked if her husband's success had surprised them both-given that early
consensus seemed to favor a smooth coronation for Clinton-Mrs. Sanders
replied: "We knew that his ideas were mainstream American ideas. If he had a
fair hearing we knew they would resonate. We were surprised at how fervently
they have been embraced by young voters, and how many people who are
disenfranchised voters: people who had given up on the system are coming
back.
"It has been humbling and quite an honor to have that kind of support and
encouragement and commitment to the future. So I think we were surprised to
that. We were more intellectually thinking they would resonate. We didn't
realize emotionally how much they would resonate both for people and for
us."
For Mrs. Sanders personally, the campaign has proven "exhilarating and
wonderful in terms of meeting so many people around the country, and
learning about specific issues"-she cited "Latinos," "immigration," and
"Native Americans"-but also in terms of understanding and hearing that the
general issues that Bernie Sanders raises are, she said, issues of concern
for all Americans.
"They want a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
They want a government that recognizes that at the center of policy should
be a concern for Americans' quality of life, and their ability to live life
in security and dignity by just working hard and getting a fair shake."
Had the campaign bought her more or less turmoil than she had expected?
"I wouldn't say turmoil," Mrs. Sanders replied. "I would say it's hard to be
away from the kids and the grandkids as much, but it's an honor to be able
to be part of this. And it's been very invigorating for me to see the
support, interest, and commitment to transform this country to what we all
want it to be ideally, and people are willing to do the work and support
Bernie in that endeavor. It's wonderful."
I asked Mrs. Sanders if she had thought about the possibility of living in
the White House.
"I haven't, you know," she said. "I mean, I'm more focused on what we could
do if he gets into the White House."
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Jane Sanders: Bernie and I Will Vote Hillary if We Have To
By Tim Teeman, The Daily Beast
14 April 16
In a candid interview with Tim Teeman, a straight-shooting Jane Sanders
talks superdelegates, her husband's temperament, the need for party unity,
and missing her family.
ane Sanders and her husband Bernie will support Hillary Clinton if the
latter beats Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential nomination race.
Mrs. Sanders, in an interview with The Daily Beast on Wednesday, said they
would hope Bernie's supporters would follow their lead.
Conversely, if Bernie Sanders secured the nomination, Mrs. Sanders said she
hoped Clinton and her supporters would support him.
In a wide-ranging, candid interview, Mrs. Sanders also said the
superdelegate system-currently weighted significantly in Clinton's favor-was
unfair, yet predicted that she is hopeful that a number of those
superdelegates, and their thousands of votes, could be convinced to switch
their support from Clinton to her husband.
The Daily Beast spoke to Mrs. Sanders with just hours to go before Bernie
Sanders's rally in New York's Washington Square, and just a week until New
York Democrats pick a primary winner.
"I know Donald Trump has complained about the system," Mrs. Sanders said.
"We're not going to complain about it. We knew the rules going in. We don't
like the rules. We don't think it's good for democracy. I think it's crazy
that in New York anybody who wanted to vote for Bernie had to make a change
last October to say they were in the Democratic Party. Anybody who is
independent cannot vote."
Mrs. Sanders said her husband's campaign was "trying to reinvigorate the
party and we are. We are bringing many, many more people in across the
country and yet in New York they're slamming the door on those people. They
can't have a voice. That seems counterproductive to what the Democratic
Party wants to accomplish in terms of winning not just the presidency, but
to win governors' seats and seats in the House and Senate."
She dismissed Clinton campaign claims that Bernie's camp was attempting to
"rig" the election by "flipping" the votes of superdelegates. "How could we
be rigging it? We're not in charge of anything," she said, laughing.
"Superdelegates, first off, I think, are silly. They're 30 percent of the
vote that a candidate needs to become the nominee. How fair is that? I am a
voter. I have one vote, yet you're a superdelegate and count for thousands
and thousands of votes. That doesn't make any sense at all. 'One person, one
vote' is what democracy is supposed to be about."
The "rigging" claims did not "make sense," Mrs. Sanders said.
"In 2008, many superdelegates had signed up for Hillary Clinton, very early,
before Barack Obama."
The same was true this year, though this time the opponent was Bernie
Sanders, she said.
"In the end in 2008, the superdelegates moved to Barack Obama. This year,
the superdelegates have not been counted yet, their votes have not been
cast. Some are saying now they support Hillary Clinton. About half.
"If the superdelegates are using their judgment, my hope is that they are
looking at what is happening in this race-that he [Bernie Sanders] has won
eight of the nine most recent races, that he has far better polling numbers
against all the Republicans, that he can get not just Democrats but
Independents.
"Even in his last Senate race, 25 percent of Republicans in our state voted
for him-and we can do that nationally as well. He's in a much better
position to be the Democratic Party candidate. Superdelegates will make up
their minds. It has nothing to do with rigging, but it could happen just
like it happened in 2008."
On the more rancorous exchanges between the Sanders and Clinton campaigns,
Mrs. Sanders said, "I think if you compare it to the Republicans it's
nothing. I think it's been difficult for us to have distortions of the
record, when really what we want to focus on is a clear choice between the
two candidates."
For Mrs. Sanders, "there is a stark difference" between her husband and
Hillary Clinton, "in a number of areas. That's what we should be talking
about, that's good for democracy, that's what people need to hear."
When asked if she ever advised her husband to moderate his tone, Mrs.
Sanders said he was being criticized over a statement he made in response to
the Clinton strategy to "disqualify and defeat" him, "and worry about
uniting the party later."
Mrs. Sanders was referring to an unnamed top Clinton advisor's battle plan,
as conveyed to CNN last week.
"Then we watched surrogate after surrogate and Secretary Clinton herself on
the air attempting to disqualify him, which means to make [him seem]
unqualified," Mrs. Sanders said.
She said that her husband, in response, "had said 'Let's talk about the
issues' about what makes somebody unqualified.
"His attempt may not have been as articulate as we might have preferred, but
his attempt was to turn the page to say, 'Let's look at trade: Secretary
Clinton is pro-free trade, pro-NAFTA, pro permanent trade relations with
China, and pro-TPP [the Trans-Pacific Partnership], until the very end,
after it was too late.'"
Her husband, she added, had noted that Clinton had voted in favor of the
Iraq War, having seen the same information that had led Bernie Sanders to
vote against it.
Mrs. Sanders said, "Secretary Clinton has a regime change policy that was
borne out of Libya. Bernie does not believe in regime change policy. He was
trying to say, 'OK, if you're looking at who's qualified, let's look at the
qualifications you're looking for as a voter.' I think the media has made
more of it than either candidate."
This reporter asked Mrs. Sanders if she was concerned that voters in both
the Clinton and Sanders camps were so partisan they would not vote for the
other Democratic candidate in a general election. She replied that "they
[Democrat voters] were feeling annoyed at both sides. If Bernie wins,
hopefully Secretary Clinton's supporters will support him, and if she wins
we hope our supporters will support her. It's nowhere near as rancorous as
it was between Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton back then."
Would her husband support Clinton if she became the candidate?
"I think both of them will support the other," said Mrs. Sanders.
Her husband's temperament has also come under scrutiny. When asked if she
had ever advised him to "take it down a notch," Mrs. Sanders said, "No, no,
no.
"I think everybody has seemed annoyed at times," she added. "I remember
Secretary Clinton looking quite angry. I think we're talking about important
issues that affect people's lives. 25 percent of our children in America
live in poverty. Yeah, that's something to be angry about. Climate change is
real, and the fossil fuel industry is pouring tons and tons of money into
campaign contributions. That's something to be angry about.
"You look: 18,500 people in the South Bronx last week. Nobody was worried
about his temperament. They were wild about his ideas he was bringing forth
and saying, 'We are with you, we are going to work for the same ideas.'"
When asked if her husband's success had surprised them both-given that early
consensus seemed to favor a smooth coronation for Clinton-Mrs. Sanders
replied: "We knew that his ideas were mainstream American ideas. If he had a
fair hearing we knew they would resonate. We were surprised at how fervently
they have been embraced by young voters, and how many people who are
disenfranchised voters: people who had given up on the system are coming
back.
"It has been humbling and quite an honor to have that kind of support and
encouragement and commitment to the future. So I think we were surprised to
that. We were more intellectually thinking they would resonate. We didn't
realize emotionally how much they would resonate both for people and for
us."
For Mrs. Sanders personally, the campaign has proven "exhilarating and
wonderful in terms of meeting so many people around the country, and
learning about specific issues"-she cited "Latinos," "immigration," and
"Native Americans"-but also in terms of understanding and hearing that the
general issues that Bernie Sanders raises are, she said, issues of concern
for all Americans.
"They want a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
They want a government that recognizes that at the center of policy should
be a concern for Americans' quality of life, and their ability to live life
in security and dignity by just working hard and getting a fair shake."
Had the campaign bought her more or less turmoil than she had expected?
"I wouldn't say turmoil," Mrs. Sanders replied. "I would say it's hard to be
away from the kids and the grandkids as much, but it's an honor to be able
to be part of this. And it's been very invigorating for me to see the
support, interest, and commitment to transform this country to what we all
want it to be ideally, and people are willing to do the work and support
Bernie in that endeavor. It's wonderful."
I asked Mrs. Sanders if she had thought about the possibility of living in
the White House.
"I haven't, you know," she said. "I mean, I'm more focused on what we could
do if he gets into the White House."
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