Carl,
That was Roger's way of telling me that what I wrote about a capitalist
possibly being your corner grocer or pharmacist or whatever I wrote, was stupid.
Miriam
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Dear All,
Was this meant to be a puzzle?
"And suppose capitalism means building snowmen in the Sahara Desert.
The trouble is that it simply does not mean that."
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I give up. What's the answer?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/31/17, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
And suppose capitalism means building snowmen in the Sahara Desert.
The trouble is that it simply does not mean that.
On 3/31/2017 9:53 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Yes, but suppose Capitalism just meant the man who lives in your
neighborhood, owning a small store and employing some of your
neighbors in the store. Suppose it didn't mean huge multi-national
corporations.
However, I do like Richard Wolfe's model much better. The factory is
owned by its workers who are the only people who benefit financially from it.
They determine how it will be run. They choose people to manage it,
the accountant, for example, and they get rid of managers,
supervisors, anyone who isn't doing his or her job in a way that
benefits them. He points out that the important component is
Democracy. He also points out that you can have a socialist state in
which there's no democracy and the state is as profit driven and careless
about its workers as any big corporation.
Miriam
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Miriam,
Perhaps I'm too simplistic.
But let me ramble around a bit and see if I can make my point...or
put my other foot in my mouth.
From my experience, when one person depends on a share of another
persons labor in order to maintain their life style, there can never be
equality.
No matter how good a person, or how caring, when the choice is to
determine which of the two will be forced to take a loss, the person
in control...that is the one who is taking part of the other persons
labor, that person will choose to protect themselves and their families.
Capitalism is fundamentally bankrupt. If we could control
Capitalism, we should have figured out how to do it after so many
generations have passed. Capitalism is unstable. It has highs and
lows. But remember, the lows are far lower for the working and lower
classes than are the highs. And the highs are far higher for the
Ruling Class, and they have very shallow lows. So at best Capitalism
is weighted toward the people at the top.
But having said all that, and not saying tons more, I feel that the
central issue is not Capitalism. The problem is Us, Human Beings.
How do we who care for one another's well being build a system that
protects everyone, while allowing individual freedom?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/30/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I guess I differ from you in that first, although certainly Trump is
a Capitalist, there are humane wealthy people. You can't sum him up
by just saying he's a Capitalist. He's a Narcissist. He has other
mental and emotional limitations which make it impossible for him to
function effectively as a national leader. Ssecond: We could manage
in a system of regulated capitalism so long as our democratic
institutions remained intact.
That would certainly be better than an autocratic socialist state.
Miriam
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Bonnie, you can sum him up in one word. Capitalist.
I wonder what it will take to get people to understand that the
bottom line of the Capitalist is Profit and more Profit, while the
bottom line for our survival is People.
Obama made the mistake of thinking that he could compromise with
Corporate Capitalism. Of course he leaned that way, himself. But
the fact is that two such diverse positions cannot compromise. The
Capitalist has only Profit as a bottom line. Less Profit is not in
the language of a Capitalist. More and bigger and more. This
leaves no room for People.
People are a resource for the Capitalist. And when People are not
being used as a resource, they are being played as consumers. We
are never seen by the rich as Citizens. They are the Citizens. We
are placed on Earth to serve their needs. And I wish some of my
friends could get it through their heads that these Elite folk
really believe that they are where they are because they come from superior
breeding.
The truth is that they are just as phony as the System they embrace.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/29/17, Bonnie L. Sherrell <blslarner@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Certainly the Donald is an expert at shifting the blame. He's done
nothing but accuse others of doing what he or his cronies did to
begin with. He's a bully and a braggart and a coward from the core
of his being.
Bonnie L. Sherrell
Teacher at Large
"Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even
the very wise cannot see all ends." LOTR
"Don't go where I can't follow."
We gave the Goblin King control of our nation!