Hello Richard and all, Perhaps the idea of: reversing the upper half, and placing them below the lower half could be given a try. Paul Benson. -----Original Message----- From: R Dinger - Email Address: rrdinger@xxxxxxxxxx Sent On: 03/01/2013 21:29 Sent To: chess - Email Address: blind-chess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [blind-chess] Ladder Tournameè½nt Champion for 2012 Please join me in congratulating Stan Lovell for winning the Ladder Tournament ending in 2012. Since the players want to continue the Ladder, how do we want to mix it up now that the new year is upon us? In the past we have reversed the standings. As an alternative the ftp-chess list simply pushes the winner to the middle of the Ladder. Another idea is to reverse the top half and put them under the bottom half (rod's idea I think). Please let me know what method the players want to use or suggest an additional method. Richard