I fear I started Jane on that path, but what I thought was what you just said, keeping it in BRF. Then soommeone else could handle the Daisy. I apologize, Jane, I didn't mean to start all this stuff about back translating. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: reading a book rated fair And to improve the .brf only. You would. 1. Download the brf. 2. Edit the brf. 3. Resubmit the .brf And that is how the BRF gets improved but not the Daisy and yet we avoid the nasty little translation errors. Darn that Braille short hand. Now if it was all uncontracted we wouldn't be having this discussion evil smile. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner ----- Original Message ----- From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: reading a book rated fair If you download a brf file and edit in brf and upload that file, you have to upload as rtf. With me so far? To get that brf file which you worked on saved as an rtf file you translate it back from braille to letters. Some of that translating goes wrong. It is just inevitable. So we are suggesting downloading the html from daisy, saving that as rtf (which does not involve braille translation) and reading the rtf file in grade two if you want on the braillenote. Any word you want to correct will be in expanded grade one mode of course. Hope the explanation helps. We all know you are asking so you understand what is happening with the files? Why do you particularly want to stay in brf by the way? Reading in rtf in grade two works fine. E.