[bksvol-discuss] Re: My Search Experiences, WAS: Re: Re: Modify Search Boxyikes on the new search

  • From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:57:45 -0600

Not necessarily, depending on the indexing.  I think Carrie mentioned they had 
to re-index the collection, which took 24 hours, to use the new search.  That 
means the two search mechanisms are not compatible concurrently.

Valerie


On Jan 16, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Melissa Smith wrote:

> They should both be able to search the same database, just search on 
> different perameters.
> 
> Melissa
> 
> 
> 
> Valerie Maples wrote:
>> I am with you both, Melissa and Lynnsky!  My guess is they would need two 
>> databases to do that and not want to do double maintenance.
>> 
>> Or, they need to develop an exact match only search for s specified field.  
>> Still a lot of work to engineer the database search.  That is why most 
>> libraries go commercial, but it costs very big bucks.
>> 
>> Valerie
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 16, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Lynn I wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> I really like that suggestion--but I'd guess engineering will not feel the
>>> same way. *smile*
>>> 
>>> Blessings.
>>> 
>>> Lynnsky
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:32 PM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: My Search Experiences, WAS: Re: Re: Modify
>>> Search Boxyikes on the new search
>>> 
>>> I'm thinking that perhaps, the quick search should be the original, without
>>> the full text search, and, the advanced search can include the full text
>>> search. When using the advanced search, you should be able to fill in the
>>> criteria you what to search for and it only search on that parameter. I
>>> really like the full text search, but see that it gives a lot of results
>>> that aren't really relevant to what people are searching for. The advanced
>>> search has a box to search on the full text parameter, and I'm thinking that
>>> should be the only place the full text search appears.
>>> 
>>> Melissa
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> siss52 wrote:
>>>    
>>>> It seems to me that the search engine was better like it was.  I could 
>>>> search for a particular title, and if it was not in the collection, I just 
>>>> did not get any results.  I would rather have it that way than to get 
>>>> irrelevant results.
>>>> 
>>>> Sue S.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:55 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] My Search Experiences, WAS: Re: Re: Modify 
>>>> Search Boxyikes on the new search
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jamie and everyone!
>>>> 
>>>> I didn't have much time to play with the new search engine last night, 
>>>> since it was getting late, so I'm back at it for a while today.
>>>> 
>>>> I was browsing on ChristianBook.com and wanted to look to see whether 
>>>> Bookshare had a book I thought looked interesting.
>>>> 
>>>> I used the Bookshare Quick Search to search for
>>>> 
>>>> "Stories Behind the Traditions and Songs of Easter"
>>>> 
>>>> with the quotes.
>>>> 
>>>> I got two results.  I was also asked:
>>>> 
>>>> Did you mean:
>>>> stories behind the best-loved songs of christmas
>>>> 
>>>> Showing 1
>>>> through
>>>> 2 of 2 results
>>>> 
>>>> More Stories Behind the Best-Loved Songs of Christmas
>>>> by
>>>> Ace Collins
>>>> 
>>>> Stories Behind the Great Traditions of Christmas
>>>> by
>>>> Ace Collins
>>>> 
>>>> It was nice to see that I only got two results when I searched for that 
>>>> title in the quick search, the way I used to instead of thousands, so I 
>>>> decided to try the advanced search.
>>>> 
>>>> I searched for "Evans to Betsy" and don't think I used the quotes by 
>>>> typing that title in the edit box for the title and was shown that book 
>>>> only instead of hundreds or thousands of unrelated books.
>>>> 
>>>> I paged back once just to get at the same starting point in the advanced 
>>>> search, even though I didn't think I really had to do that, just doing it 
>>>> for comparison's sake, and decided to try that author, so I typed in Rhys 
>>>> Bowen and got 15 search results instead of thousands.
>>>> 
>>>> Only the last two books out of the fifteen results were by another author 
>>>> than Rhys Bowen.
>>>> 
>>>> Going back and searching on Jamie's example of Gallo gave me 619 search 
>>>> results.  I didn't change any of the combo boxes to see what would
>>>>      
>>> happen.
>>>    
>>>> The relevant books are:
>>>> 
>>>> Sixteen
>>>> by
>>>> Donald R. Gallo
>>>> 
>>>> On the Fringe
>>>> by
>>>> Donald R. Gallo
>>>> 
>>>> The rest of the 25 books on that first search page were from every author 
>>>> but Donald R. Gallo, so does that mean that those are the only books in 
>>>> the collection by him?  I am unfamiliar with the author and his
>>>>      
>>> books.
>>>    
>>>> Debby
>>>> 
>>>> At 06:16 PM 1/15/2010, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote
>>>> 
>>>>      
>>>>> Ok I'm going to try this. I put Gallo into the search box. I got 2,678 
>>>>> results with The Millionaires by Brad Meltzer as the top result (go 
>>>>> figure).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I changed my sort order to By Author instead of By Relevance (since 
>>>>> obviously relevance is relative since it wasn't relevant to me).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I still got the same number of results (way too many) and now the top 
>>>>> book is even farther away from what I want, certainly not the author of
>>>>>        
>>> Gallo.
>>>    
>>>>> So I clicked on the authors box and it gives me a list of authors,  but 
>>>>> not a single one of them has Gallo in the author's name.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think on the front page there should be a box you check if you want the 
>>>>> full text search, otherwise you get the same basic search we used to
>>>>>        
>>> have.
>>>    
>>>>> Or the other way around, check a box to get the same basic search we used 
>>>>> to have. I don't have time to look through 2,678 results to see if there 
>>>>> are any books in the collection with an author by the name of
>>>>>        
>>> Gallo.
>>>    
>>>>> I suspect few of us have this kind of time either, which means we're just 
>>>>> not going to scan books for fear they're already in the collection, or 
>>>>> we're going to say to heck with it and waste our time scanning a book 
>>>>> that may be in the collection but how in the heck are we
>>>>>        
>>> supposed to find it?
>>>    
>>>>> --
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