[bksvol-discuss] Re: Google's agreement with publishers and libraries

Okay, that is exactly what I was asking about. The answer is that, indeed, 
Bookshare has tried to do that. I was unaware of that, but I am gratified that 
it has been tried. Now the question is what is the problem with Google anyway?

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ways; the point is to change it." Karl Marx     

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Roger, 

Jim Fruchterman mentioned sometime back that he was trying to get Google to 
do just what you are asking.  At that time, they were uncooperative.  Why don't
you write to him about this?  None of us can do anything about it.  <smile>

Sue S. 

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I understand that. I am asking about the feasibility of asking Google to 
supply their millions of books to Bookshare like publishers supply their 
publisher
quality books.

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Roger, Volunteers are  to submit only books they scan from hard copy.  Any 
submissions of any electronically sourced materials is reserved to Bookshare
staffers.  If you have questions, please contact Pavi directly for guidance. 

Regards, 

G. 

Guido Dante Corona
IBM Research,
Human Ability & Accessibility Center,   (HA&AC)
Austin Tx.
Phone:  (512) 286-5794
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http://www.ibm.com/able

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I was aware of all that, well, most of it anyway. My point is that we are 
allowed to scan and post almost any book for distribution among a population
of
people with documented disabilities without compensation to or permission 
from the copyright holders. That should mean that it should be legal for Google
to turn over the complete text of all those millions of books, with the 
exception of certain books such as collections of plays, to Bookshare. In the 
case
of Bookshare those restrictions should not apply. Now, my understanding may 
be wrong, but if it is it doesn't show as such from this item from Google 
itself.
That is why I am asking if Google has been approached or if there are any 
plans to approach Google just like publishers have been approached for publisher
quality books.

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ways; the point is to change it." Karl Marx     

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Roger,

There are limitations. Below is the skinny, as we used to say, which I found 
at 
http://books.google.com/googlebooks/agreement/

Cindy

"The Future of Google Book Search
Our groundbreaking agreement with authors and publishers.

Three years ago, the Authors Guild, the Association of American Publishers 
and a handful of authors and publishers filed a class action lawsuit against
Google Book Search.

Today we're delighted to announce that we've settled that lawsuit and will be 
working closely with these industry partners to bring even more of the 
world's
books online. Together we'll accomplish far more than any of us could have 
individually, to the enduring benefit of authors, publishers, researchers and
readers alike.

It will take some time for this agreement to be approved and finalized by the 
Court. For now, here's a peek at the changes we hope you'll soon see.

   1. Book Search today
   2. How Book Search will change
   3. Three types of books
   4. The Book Rights Registry
   5. Libraries and universities
   6. Looking forward

Book Search today

Right now, you can search over the full text of some seven million books 
through Google Book Search. Try it out for yourself:

Whenever you do a Google web search, you're also searching our book index; 
any relevant hits will appear in your search results, and clicking on a result
will take you to the relevant page in the book, where you can browse a few 
more pages and learn where to borrow or buy it.

[photographic samples deleted]

The books in Google Book Search come from two sources.
The Library Project

We've partnered with renowned libraries around the world to include their 
collections in Book Search. For Library Project books that are still in 
copyright,
our results are like a card catalog; we show you info about the book and, 
generally, a few snippets of text showing your search term in context..

For Library Project books that are out of copyright, however, you can read 
and download the entire book.

Snippet view of in-copyright book
    
Full view of out-of-copyright book
    
Preview of Partner Program book

The Partner Program

We’ve also partnered with over 20,000 publishers and authors to make their 
books discoverable on Google. You can flip through a few preview pages of these
books, just like you'd browse them at a bookstore or library. You'll also see 
links to libraries and bookstores where you can borrow or buy the book.

You can learn more about, and sign up for, the Partner Program here.

How Book Search will change

Once approved, this agreement will allow us and our publishing industry 
partners to greatly expand the number of books that you can find, preview and 
buy
through Google. Here's how.
Out of print books

Until now, we've only been able to show a few snippets of text for most of 
the in-copyright books we've scanned through our Library Project. Since the
vast majority of these books are out of print, to actually read them you'd 
have to hunt them down at a library or a used bookstore.

Snippet view
        
Preview
        
Paid Full View

This agreement will allow us to make many of these out-of-print books 
available for preview, reading and purchase in the U.S.. Helping to ensure the 
ongoing
accessibility of out-of-print books is one of the primary reasons we began 
this project in the first place, and we couldn't be happier that we and our
author, library and publishing partners will now be able to protect mankind's 
cultural history in this manner.
Accessing books

This agreement will create new options for reading entire books (which is, 
after all, what books are there for).

    *
      Online access

      Once this agreement has been approved, you'll be able to purchase full 
online access to millions of books. This means you can read an entire book
from any Internet-connected computer, simply by logging in to your Book 
Search account, and it will remain on your electronic bookshelf, so you can come
back and access it whenever you want in the future.
    *
      Library and university access

      We'll also be offering libraries, universities and other organizations 
the ability to purchase institutional subscriptions, which will give users
access to the complete text of millions of titles while compensating authors 
and publishers for the service. Students and researchers will have access
to an electronic library that combines the collections from many of the top 
universities across the country. Public and university libraries in the U.S.
will also be able to offer terminals where readers can access the full text 
of millions of out-of-print books for free.
    *
      Buying or borrowing actual books

      Finally, if the book you want is available in a bookstore or nearby 
library, we'll continue to point you to those resources, as we've always done.

      
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