That's the best solution I know as well. Last year, I validated the sixth, and scanned the seventh, book in the Crown of Stars series that had a fairly simple genealogy at the beginning of the books. I used my Optacon to look at it, but was a bit stumped as to how to describe it. The first five had been recorded by that time, so I got one of those and listened to how the narrator had done it. (The genealogy was identical in each book.) So I wrote something similar for books six and seven. I didn't copy NLS's wording, but I did write something similar to it. If the book isn't recorded, you can still do something like what Bob described. I did something slightly different in a book that is still in validation, but there the family trees were even simpler. I gave more a description of how the page looks, rather than translating it into the kind of language Bob is talking about. I said something like: At the top is so-and-so, and there are three vertical lines from that name, and from left to right are so-and-so, so-and-so and so-and-so. On the left is a line going down from so-and-so to so-and-so, etc. I'm not sure if that was the best way, although, as I said, it does give a good visual impression of the page. I'm thinking now that it might be better if the validator were to fix it up more along the lines of Bob's example. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Geneaology Flow Chart Hi Kari. I really don't have a solution for you. I can only tell you what NLS does in such instances. They give a verbal description of the chart. I'll give you a fictitious example. "[Scanner's note:There appears a chart which shows that the chief had three wives. He married wife 1 in 1827 and they had three kids, kid1, born in 1833, kid2 born in 1840 and kid3 born in1842. Kid1 married wife1a in 1852 and they had seven kids, kid1a, kid1b, etc etc. ... End of scanner's note.] You get the picture. It's still awkward, but it's the best solution I've found. Maybe others know a better approach. A double thanks to you as a new scannor. Thanks for asking, not assuming. And thanks for tackling a difficult task. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: KGnfOnWheels@xxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Geneaology Flow Chart I am a new submitter and am close to finishing _Little Crow_ a biography of a Sioux Leader in 1862. The Appendix has a genealogy chart with many cases multiple partners, sometimes related with in large family group. Does anyone have an idea how to present this? I use kes v. 10 am just figuring how it work. I am writing "children with as follows" but it may be confusing with all the interfamily/generations mixes. Any ideas? Kari G ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.3/1144 - Release Date: 11/21/2007 4:28 PM