[bksvol-discuss] Re: Feeling like a fool!

  • From: Mike <mlsestak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:58:10 -0800

Valerie,

The law is written however the law is written, but, good grief, I'd think that the parent of a disabled child ought to be able to act as a member...Or even the spouse of a member...and you are both parent and spouse...as well as a trouble maker (sorry, couldn't help that last comment, *grin*).

Misha

Valerie Maples wrote:
Unfortunately I get no services of any kind, and for the most part, do not need anything I cannot buy or share with Doug and Nichole. I looked over the list a while back, but cannot think of anyone who could qualify me. I don't think my daughter's teacher would be able to or her OT since they do not serve me, just Nichole.

I am just a trouble maker.   LOL

Valerie


On 11 01, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Lynn I wrote:

Hi Valerie!

You do not need a medical doctor per se to provide your certification of
disability. Certain other professionals can do this, as well.

Below is the language from Bookshare's Proof of Disability Form which you
can find at:

http://www.bookshare.org/assets/docs/Individual_Proof_of_Disability.doc

block quote

Proof of Disability
Have the Proof of Disability section filled in and signed by a qualified
professional in the field of disabilities services, education, medicine or psychology. This professional must be a recognized expert who attests to the physical basis of the visual, perceptual, or other physical disability
that limits the applicant's use of standard print.
Appropriate certifying experts may differ for different disabilities. In the case of blindness and visual impairments, an appropriate certifier may be a physician, ophthalmologist, or optometrist; in the case of a perceptual disability, a neurologist, learning disability specialist (a teacher with this type of certification is an example), or psychologist with a background in disabilities may be the most qualified certifying professional. A social
worker with direct knowledge of your circumstances or a federal or state
agency that maintains registries of qualified people with disabilities for
benefits purposes may provide certification. If you are a college or
university student, your school's Disability Student Services staff may
provide certification.

block quote end

HTH

Blessings.

Lynnsky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Valerie Maples" <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Feeling like a fool!


Count me in on wanting to preview our end-product!

I would likely technically qualify for a membership with my
arthritis,  carpal tunnel and dyslexia,  but I have no one to certify
me since I have no health insurance and thus no regular doctor. If I
could see my work completed,  I could do a better job submitting my
proofs and my scans.

Valerie


On 11 01, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Bob wrote:

Valerie, I totally agree with you. For some time, I have been
lobbying for some way for us to run our books through the converter
before submitting it.

I don't care so much what the tools do as long as I know what they
do, (I hate surprises and wasted time).

Bob

"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all
of us will live on in the future we make,"
Senator Edward M. Kennedy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Maples"
<vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Feeling like a fool!


Try #2;  first one vanished into cyberspace.   Frowns.

And here-in lies a huge problem.   if I am not a member,  how would
I know it had not kept my italics and bold?   there should be a way
for  us to see the final product if we choose to view it for errors
in the "stripping process.   How do you begin to report a problem
when it is massive amounts of text altered.   In this case I was
the proofreader  and I have looked at my text and TONS of italics
were stripped.

I have to get Nichole to bed,  but I must say one of my biggest
gripes  is that there appears no way to preserve a table of
contents for  sighted readers.   Accessible to all is not remotely
accessible to  kids with visual discrimination problems.   Kids who
need the most  support in developing their literacy skills like the
very early skill  of locating something on a TOC are never going to
find page numbers  with the number only one space after the chapter
title.   It is easy  to say your software makes adjustments,  but
the two tools for  students,  Don Johnston Read Out Loud BookShare
edition or XML are not  configurable to these ends, not to mention
communication device users  like Nichole.   These kids cannot
search and find independently,   especially not more cognitively
impaired or severely physically  handicapped kids.

I like that XML has some kind of page delimiter,  But neither
format appears to retain our bracketed text alerting the reader
that pictures are missing or a page is blank.   Only a number with
no space or notification.   Very confusing to kids who are already
struggling readers...

Enough for now...   I will lick my wounds and know little of what
i  have submitted remotely resembles the finished product.

Valerie


On 11 01, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:

Hi Valerie,

Your italics should have been preserved.  This particular issue
needs to be reported.

I'm sorry that you didn't know that everything would be left
justified.  I thought you knew that.  The paragraph set up is
supposed to be
determined by the reader of the book and his or her chosen adaptive
software.  XML files will have a blank line between paragraphs,
but  if you
want that blank line to be noted in the daisy or braille file, it
needs to
be replased with three asterisks.

Italics should be kept by bookshare's tools, and reported if they
haven't been.  Bold should be kept by bookshare's conversion
tools,  and
reported if it hasn't been.  But page set up adaptations have always
disappeared.  I wish we'd somehow been more clear in explaining
that  to you.
I'm sorry you wasted time and energy.  I'm so sorry.

Mayrie



-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie
Maples
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:55 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Pavi Mehta
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Feeling like a fool!

Okay, I admit, I am a jump in kind of gal and try really hard to
absorb
everything I can and learn as I go how to get better.  Because i
am  not a
member, I had never seen what my proofs or scans look like after
they leave
me.  After comments this week that finally sunk in, I asked
Nichole  if she
minded if we downloaded a book I had proofed so we could compare
the  two
versions.

We chose Mosaic by Amy Grant because of the heavy formatting due to
lyrics, interjected reflections and other strong visual elements.
Well, let me tell you, all those hours of formatting were all for
naught and
there is no way someone can tell what are lyrics, where chorus and
refrain
switch or anything else.  It did not even retain many of my italic
sections.

Why is this?  A child with visual discrimination issues will be
totally lost
because paragraphing is not apparent and without style transitions
you
cannot differentiate form.

My heart is broken that all my work was wasted and I want to know
why
virtually everything is lost, all is left justified, and even if
a  whole
page I submit is appropriately in italics, maybe only one or two
lines
appeared in italics.  There is no rhyme or reason I can see to the
capricious application and want to know how to present so visual
readers
are not lost in endless, non-differentiated text.  why even
bother  with RTF
then?

A very disappointed Valerie


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