When I look at the list of ooks needing a rescan, I have to decide whether I am going to be willing to read the book because in my opinion that is the only way to get a book that is of the quality I want my name associated with. It doesn't bother me if some of the books don't get rescanned; it just tells me that not that many people want to read them. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Books with problems--what to do
Hi, Devorah. I'm not sure if your question refers to when validating or downloading from the collection, or exactly to what Curtis is referring, either. The Comments section on page two of the upload is to notify the administrator if there's something wrong with the book, why it's being rejected, why the validator is changing the rating, etc. I'm not sure if newbies know that comments written there aren't seen by readers of the book. That's why when I have comments I want the reader to see, e.g., that the spelling and punctuation are English rather than American, or that there is some swearing and profanity or sex (but not enough that I rated the book Adult) I put it in the long synopses. If the book s downloaded from the collection with missing pages or a lot of errors, it should be rescanned and a BSO submitted. It sure would be a lot easier, imho, if it were put back on the download list for someone like me to fix, and this was done "in the old days." For some reason I don't understand, the PWB (powers that be) think it takes less time and effort to rescan the book. I really don't understand how having two people put in time and effort on a book to perfect it saves time over having one person do it. I wish some of you engineers or any of you time management people could explain that to me. smile The other problem is that the books don't get rescanned very rapidly. Has anyone looked at Jake's list? Or the Wish List (24 listed, of which two are being rescanned). G. Cindy --- Devorah Greenstein <DGreenstein@xxxxxxx> wrote:I'm puzzled. Doesn't the Bookshare computer have people's names attached to each book as it goes through the process and gets put into the collection? I mean, someone (some computer) knows that I've validated a particular book because I get reminders and a thank you at the end. Can't we offer feedback to people who submit and validate books ? Or set standards? What are "the old rules"? If Curtis reads a book that is missing pages or is not up to snuff, is there an evaluation form or something that he can give to someone so that the book is reviewed and improved? Or does it just stay in circulation as is? I know I'm a newby, but I also know that when I'm reading a print book (I'm sighted) and it's missing pages (which just happened to me in a hardcover fantasy book, and they were critical pages) well I get really mad. So I'm sympathizing with Curtis. Devorah -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:34 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a waste and frustrating I'm glad you ranted so now I don't have to. My feeling is that these scanners are not on this list, possibly started scanning when Bookshare's standards were so low and have not bothered to read the submitting updates. What's even worse is if a validator working under the old rules gets one of these books; then a truly poor product results. Jill----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:19 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a waste and frustrating >I might add, though reluctantly, I have downloaded books lately where the > person who scanned the book did not read it, or if did, ignored a plethora > of errors and then called the scan " excellent, almost no errors." I > wonder > how ... or why ... that happens? Any book I have sent I have read > thoroughly > from cover to cover, and exhumed as many obvious errors or missing pages > or > missing words ... as possible. It's frustrating when, particularly when > it's > a book I truly like and want to finish, to have all kinds of errors which > continue to continue without knowing what the source was suppose to be. > Reading a book by gathering it by context is no fun. :) > > Sorry for my rant, however it seems to me that if books are to be > submitted, > then they should be submitted with the idea that as many errors as > possible > be handled by the original submitter, not the validator. > When both the submitter, and the validator are involved with corrections, > many fewer errors are the result, but you can't start out with the context > and expect much more than the hodge podge it began with. > Many times, scanners, as such, put in long descriptions, advertise on > these > lists, books they've sent but when I download ... > > Curtis Delzer> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:42 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] see long synopsis a waste and frustrating > > > Dear Booksharian Friends, > > Those words, "See long synopsis," which appeared on several titles on > Sunday's new books list frustrate and annoy me every time I read them. > From > yesterday's list I uploaded 6 books but none of my choices had those > dreaded > words in their descriptions. > > Your valuable volunteer and staff efforts have given me so many wonderful, > usually unexpected, books to read, I don't take time from my volunteering > reading, and real life to look up titles that refer me to the long > synopsis. > > I also don't punish myself either to make a point by failing to read books > I > recognize that I like whose authors or titles I already know, just because > the submittor and validator didn't take time to write any kind of helpful > short synopsis for them. But, If I'm not familiar with the book, I don't > bother to track down a long synopsis. If volunteers can't be bothered to > write a helpful short synopsis, I conclude they don't care much about that > book and don't waste unnecessary time finding out about it because I think > it has a good chance of not being carefully prepared. > > If a volunteer cares about a book, you'd think she or he would want others > to benefit from their work. You'd think they would hope many readers will > select their book and it will be widely read. Why put your own book in the > seconds bin by not writing an inviting and/or informative short synopsis > for > it? The short synopsis is the book's best publicity. > > In other discussions some volunteers have used the excuse that they can't > write a long synopsis because they haven't read the book. By my personal > work standards That already shows a considerable amount of lack of caring. > However given the volunteer isn't planning to read the book, this excuse > still doesn't hold up. Why not formulate a short synopsis by summarizing > that famous long synopsis to which they direct potential readers. It > wouldn't take too long to dash out some brief high points mentioned in > that > long synopsis. It's only 200 characters or less we're hoping for. > > I'll always appreciate everyone's work and am not targeting an individual > since I didn't look up any of these books to identify the volunteers who > write "See long synopsis." I wouldn't dream of trying to manipulate the > volunteer community or the staff to weigh in on this issue or to institute > major changes according to my personal guidelines and desires. It's my > hope > that expressing my opinion might result in some books in the future being > given the more detailed short synopses they deserve. And if that happens > or > not, at least I've expressed my feelings. > > I assume all of us have the good of Bookshare at heart. I've written this > pointed and fervent message from the perspective of both a volunteer and a > reader who loves Bookshare. I'm stating my opinion to encourage volunteers > to try a little harder to attract readers to their books and to make book > browsing more satisfying to me. > > Always with love, > > Lissi > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list > of > available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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