[bksvol-discuss] Re: Books with problems--what to do
- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:30:01 -0400
I believe the reason that books of low quality need to be rescanned instead
of simply correcting the existing files in the collection was answered quite
a while back; and if I recall correctly, it involves the inability of those
existing files to be processed to have the navigation features that are a
part of the Daisy files that Bookshare now publishes. If you fix up a brf
file, say, or an html version of a book, it will not be able to be processed
in such a way as to have the markup language that will enable Daisy
navigation.
I'm sure that Jake could give a more detailed answer, but I believe that
that is the gist of it.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Books with problems--what to do
> Hi, Devorah.
>
> I'm not sure if your question refers to when
> validating or downloading from the collection, or
> exactly to what Curtis is referring, either.
>
> The Comments section on page two of the upload is to
> notify the administrator if there's something wrong
> with the book, why it's being rejected, why the
> validator is changing the rating, etc.
>
> I'm not sure if newbies know that comments written
> there aren't seen by readers of the book. That's why
> when I have comments I want the reader to see, e.g.,
> that the spelling and punctuation are English rather
> than American, or that there is some swearing and
> profanity or sex (but not enough that I rated the book
> Adult) I put it in the long synopses.
>
> If the book s downloaded from the collection with
> missing pages or a lot of errors, it should be
> rescanned and a BSO submitted. It sure would be a lot
> easier, imho, if it were put back on the download list
> for someone like me to fix, and this was done "in the
> old days." For some reason I don't understand, the PWB
> (powers that be) think it takes less time and effort
> to rescan the book.
>
> I really don't understand how having two people put in
> time and effort on a book to perfect it saves time
> over having one person do it. I wish some of you
> engineers or any of you time management people could
> explain that to me. smile
>
> The other problem is that the books don't get
> rescanned very rapidly. Has anyone looked at Jake's
> list? Or the Wish List (24 listed, of which two are
> being rescanned).
>
> G. Cindy
> --- Devorah Greenstein <DGreenstein@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I'm puzzled. Doesn't the Bookshare computer have
>> people's names attached
>> to each book as it goes through the process and gets
>> put into the
>> collection? I mean, someone (some computer) knows
>> that I've validated a
>> particular book because I get reminders and a thank
>> you at the end.
>> Can't we offer feedback to people who submit and
>> validate books ? Or set
>> standards? What are "the old rules"? If Curtis reads
>> a book that is
>> missing pages or is not up to snuff, is there an
>> evaluation form or
>> something that he can give to someone so that the
>> book is reviewed and
>> improved? Or does it just stay in circulation as is?
>>
>> I know I'm a newby, but I also know that when I'm
>> reading a print book
>> (I'm sighted) and it's missing pages (which just
>> happened to me in a
>> hardcover fantasy book, and they were critical
>> pages) well I get really
>> mad. So I'm sympathizing with Curtis.
>>
>> Devorah
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Jill O'Connell
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:34 AM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a
>> waste and frustrating
>>
>> I'm glad you ranted so now I don't have to. My
>> feeling is that these
>> scanners are not on this list, possibly started
>> scanning when
>> Bookshare's
>> standards were so low and have not bothered to read
>> the submitting
>> updates.
>> What's even worse is if a validator working under
>> the old rules gets one
>> of
>> these books; then a truly poor product results. Jill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:19 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: see long synopsis a
>> waste and frustrating
>>
>>
>> >I might add, though reluctantly, I have downloaded
>> books lately where
>> the
>> > person who scanned the book did not read it, or if
>> did, ignored a
>> plethora
>> > of errors and then called the scan " excellent,
>> almost no errors." I
>> > wonder
>> > how ... or why ... that happens? Any book I have
>> sent I have read
>> > thoroughly
>> > from cover to cover, and exhumed as many obvious
>> errors or missing
>> pages
>> > or
>> > missing words ... as possible. It's frustrating
>> when, particularly
>> when
>> > it's
>> > a book I truly like and want to finish, to have
>> all kinds of errors
>> which
>> > continue to continue without knowing what the
>> source was suppose to
>> be.
>> > Reading a book by gathering it by context is no
>> fun. :)
>> >
>> > Sorry for my rant, however it seems to me that if
>> books are to be
>> > submitted,
>> > then they should be submitted with the idea that
>> as many errors as
>> > possible
>> > be handled by the original submitter, not the
>> validator.
>> > When both the submitter, and the validator are
>> involved with
>> corrections,
>> > many fewer errors are the result, but you can't
>> start out with the
>> context
>> > and expect much more than the hodge podge it began
>> with.
>> > Many times, scanners, as such, put in long
>> descriptions, advertise on
>> > these
>> > lists, books they've sent but when I download ...
>> >
>> > Curtis Delzer
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Cc: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:42 PM
>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] see long synopsis a
>> waste and frustrating
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Booksharian Friends,
>> >
>> > Those words, "See long synopsis," which appeared
>> on several titles on
>> > Sunday's new books list frustrate and annoy me
>> every time I read them.
>>
>> > From
>> > yesterday's list I uploaded 6 books but none of my
>> choices had those
>> > dreaded
>> > words in their descriptions.
>> >
>> > Your valuable volunteer and staff efforts have
>> given me so many
>> wonderful,
>> > usually unexpected, books to read, I don't take
>> time from my
>> volunteering
>> > reading, and real life to look up titles that
>> refer me to the long
>> > synopsis.
>> >
>> > I also don't punish myself either to make a point
>> by failing to read
>> books
>> > I
>> > recognize that I like whose authors or titles I
>> already know, just
>> because
>> > the submittor and validator didn't take time to
>> write any kind of
>> helpful
>> > short synopsis for them. But, If I'm not familiar
>> with the book, I
>> don't
>> > bother to track down a long synopsis. If
>> volunteers can't be bothered
>> to
>> > write a helpful short synopsis, I conclude they
>> don't care much about
>> that
>> > book and don't waste unnecessary time finding out
>> about it because I
>> think
>> > it has a good chance of not being carefully
>> prepared.
>> >
>> > If a volunteer cares about a book, you'd think she
>> or he would want
>> others
>> > to benefit from their work. You'd think they would
>> hope many readers
>> will
>> > select their book and it will be widely read. Why
>> put your own book in
>> the
>> > seconds bin by not writing an inviting and/or
>> informative short
>> synopsis
>> > for
>> > it? The short synopsis is the book's best
>> publicity.
>> >
>> > In other discussions some volunteers have used the
>> excuse that they
>> can't
>> > write a long synopsis because they haven't read
>> the book. By my
>> personal
>> > work standards That already shows a considerable
>> amount of lack of
>> caring.
>> > However given the volunteer isn't planning to read
>> the book, this
>> excuse
>> > still doesn't hold up. Why not formulate a short
>> synopsis by
>> summarizing
>> > that famous long synopsis to which they direct
>> potential readers. It
>> > wouldn't take too long to dash out some brief high
>> points mentioned in
>>
>> > that
>> > long synopsis. It's only 200 characters or less
>> we're hoping for.
>> >
>> > I'll always appreciate everyone's work and am not
>> targeting an
>> individual
>> > since I didn't look up any of these books to
>> identify the volunteers
>> who
>> > write "See long synopsis." I wouldn't dream of
>> trying to manipulate
>> the
>> > volunteer community or the staff to weigh in on
>> this issue or to
>> institute
>> > major changes according to my personal guidelines
>> and desires. It's my
>>
>> > hope
>> > that expressing my opinion might result in some
>> books in the future
>> being
>> > given the more detailed short synopses they
>> deserve. And if that
>> happens
>> > or
>> > not, at least I've expressed my feelings.
>> >
>> > I assume all of us have the good of Bookshare at
>> heart. I've written
>> this
>> > pointed and fervent message from the perspective
>> of both a volunteer
>> and a
>> > reader who loves Bookshare. I'm stating my opinion
>> to encourage
>> volunteers
>> > to try a little harder to attract readers to their
>> books and to make
>> book
>> > browsing more satisfying to me.
>> >
>> > Always with love,
>> >
>> > Lissi
>> >
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