I wanted to follow up on this post from yesterday. This morning John Brunjes forwarded a link to discussion of swan ID by David Sibley at: http://www.sibleyguides.com/swans.htm If you buy into what Sibley says about bill and head strucutre then the two birds at London clearly appear to be Tundras. So in less than 24 hours of cursory analysis I've now received opinions that the birds could be any of the three swan species, plus the potential that they could be hybrids! I'll ask Gary Ritchison to post the images to the KOS site so all can share in the puzzle ASAP. For the short term, I'd at the least like to retract my post of "probable" Trumpeters from yesterday. At the moment I am a Sibley disciple and regarding them as Tundras :o) bpb, Frankfort - - - - - From: birdky-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:birdky-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Palmer-Ball, Brainard (EPPC OOS KNPC) Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:11 AM To: BIRDKY Subject: [birdky] RPT: Probable Trumpeter Swans at London January 23, 2008: Wendi Allen of the London Bird Club has been keeping me up to date on a pair of immature swans that she and Granville Cox have been keeping tabs on at London the past week. Her very nice photos of the birds appear to illustrate two sub-adult Trumpeter Swans, although I admit to not having gained enough familiarity with immature swan ID to be certain. They might *clearly* be young Trumpeters if it was not for their snow-white plumage, but their splotchy bill pattern and head/bill structure indicate imm. Trumpeter. The birds have been seen on a couple of different ponds along Court Road near Victory Baptist Church, 1/2 mile or so off US 25E. The birds are apparently unbanded, but as with many swans they are somewhat tame. bpb, Frankfort