Wade
Great discussion. On those lines, there are a couple items that come up
at a number of club matches: how to score penalties for limited or
unlimited and and how to score shoot-throughs with threat and non-threats.
I've seen cases where SO's and shooters think if you hit a non-threat that
is in front of a threat, you get penalty but don't get hit, but get reverse
if threat is in front. Also, there seem to be questions on how to handle a
limited with too many hits, and how to handle UNLIMITED where not enough
shots were fired.
Here are quotes on both from the 2015 and 2017 rulebook (emphasis added by
me):
*MULTIPLE PROCEDURAL PENALTIES FOR UNLIMITED AND LIMITED (2015 and 2017
appear to be identical except for 5.1.2 wording)*
*From 2015 rulebook*
5.1.2 Only one (1) PE is assessed for each type of infraction in a string
of fire. If the shooter commits more than one type of infraction, such as
using the wrong specified hand and firing an incorrect number of shots, a
separate PE is assessed for each type of infraction. There are several
exceptions to the “one PE per infraction” rule.
*4.1 Unlimited Scoring*
4.1.1 Unlimited Scoring allows the shooter to shoot at each target as much
as deemed necessary, as long as this does not violate other IDPA rules. The
best hits on a target are used for score. This gives the shooter the option
to make up misses or hits that he/she is not satisfied with, to improve
their score. *When the shooter does not fire enough rounds at a target, the
unfired rounds are counted as misses and a Procedural Error penalty is
assessed for not following the CoF description*. <- this would count for
each target where not enough shots fired
*4.2 Limited Scoring*
4.2.2 *Any extra shots in a string of fire will incur one Procedural Error
penalty per string and for each extra shot one (1) of the best scoring hits
will be taped over before the score is calculated*. When the shooter does
not fire enough rounds at a target, the unfired rounds are counted as
misses, a Procedural Error penalty is assessed for not following the CoF
description, and other penalties may apply. <-- so you lose your best hits
and get scored your worst hits
*From 2017 Rulebook*
5.1.2 One (1) PE is assessed for each type of infraction. If the shooter
commits more than one type of infraction, such as using the wrong specified
hand and firing an incorrect number of shots, a separate PE is assessed for
each type of infraction. Cover violations: The number of cover PEs cannot
exceed the number of cover positions.
*4.1 Unlimited Scoring*
4.1.1 Unlimited Scoring allows the shooter to shoot at each target as much
as deemed necessary, as long as this does not violate other IDPA rules. The
best hits on a target are used for score. This gives the shooter the option
to make up misses or hits that he or she are not satisfied with to improve
their score. *When the shooter does not fire enough rounds at a target, the
unfired rounds are counted as misses and a Procedural Error penalty is
assessed for not following the CoF description*.
*4.2 Limited Scoring*
4.2.2* Any extra shots in a string of fire will incur one Procedural Error
penalty per string and for each extra shot one (1) of the best scoring hits
will be taped over before the score is calculated*. When the shooter does
not fire enough rounds at a target, the unfired rounds are counted as
misses, a Procedural Error penalty is assessed for not following the CoF
description, and other penalties may apply.
*SHOOT THROUGH NON-THREAT (2015 and 2017 appear to be identical)*
*From 2015 Rulebook*
*4.12 Shoot Through*
On a shoot through of a non-threat target that also strikes a threat
target, *the shooter will get the penalty for the non-threat target hit and
will get credit for the scored hit on the threat target*. The reverse also
applies when a round on a threat target penetrates a non-threat or threat
behind it.* All target shoot throughs count.*
*From 2017 Rulebook*
*4.12 Shoot Through*
On a shoot through of a non-threat target that also strikes a threat
target, the* shooter will get the penalty for the non-threat target hit and
will get credit for the scored hit on the threat target*. The reverse also
applies when a round on a threat target penetrates a non-threat or threat
behind it. *All target shoot through hits count.*
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Wade Price <wade.price@xxxxxxx> wrote:
The IDPA rule regarding “engaging” a reactive target, e.g. a steel popper,
is:
2015/3.2.3.2 A reactive target is deemed to have been engaged when a
minimum of 1 round is fired at the target, regardless of whether the target
reacts. All penalties apply if the shooter does not re-engage the target
until the target reacts or if the shooter unsuccessfully challenges the
reactive target calibration.
So, a shooter could fire one round at a popper, then move on to engage
other targets. If the steel did not fall when they engaged it, they can
re-engage the steel.
If the shooter engaged the steel, but left it left standing at the end of
the string, it is scored as a miss (5 points down) + a FTN penalty (5
seconds).
If the shooter never engaged the steel, then it is 5 points down + a FTN
penalty + a procedural penalty for not following the stage description and
very likely a penalty for not engaging in tactical priority. (I have made
this mistake.)
Wade
