Joe, Both Jimmy & I are fully aware of how sensitive to location the magnitudes are. Jimmy lives pretty close to me but I'm sure he ran the predictions using his location. He's also been known to travel o the flare center when able to maximize the magnitude. We both would also double check the predictions relatively soon before the flare to get the best data. My experience show that they don't often change by much, but yes they do change over several days. FYI, my location is N 33 40.166, W112 10.940. Clear Skies Rick Tejera President, Editor SACnews Saguaro Astronomy Club Phoenix, Arizona www.saguaroastro.org saguaroastro@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Orman Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 10:35 To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: Latest photos: planets, Iridium flares, ISS/shuttle pass, etc. Be aware that the magnitude of Iridium flares is VERY location sensitive, which is why I say on my web pages "enter your exact location in latitude and longitude (preferably within 0.01 degree of latitude and longitude, or about 1 kilometer)." The 14 Jul 20:49:42 flare that Rick lists as magnitude -5 was predicted as magnitude 0 for the location of my house in the East Valley, and the 16 Jul 22:12:45 flare didn't even show up in the list! My web site also says "the orbits do change over time, so be sure to download a fresh prediction within a day or two of when you plan to observe." I've noticed if I use a prediction that's older than that, the magnitude can be way off -- this depends very critically on the orientation of the spacecraft (and thus the angle of the antenna). --Joe Rick Tejera wrote: How about this one: 14 Jul 20:49:42 -5 56=B0 83=B0 (E ) 9.0 km (W) -8 Iridium 12 Or this one on Monday: 16 Jul 22:12:45 -7 25=B0 62=B0 (ENE) 0.6 km (W) -7 Iridium 42 -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.