Matt, this will, probably, generate, quite a bit of discussion. I haven't done anything scientific to answer your question, but I do have quite a bit of experience observing from my back yard, near 35th Ave and Thunderbird Rd. Over the years the closes double that I remember splitting with my 8" telescopes is 3". When I say my 8" telescopes that means the f6 Newtonian that I owned for about 20 years. It also references the new SCT purchased around the beginning of this year. The 3" split was not something that could be done on a consistent basis, only if the observing conditions were good. My guess as to why, over 20 years, this kind of observing didn't deteriorate is because most of the urban sprawl was north of my position. Most of my observing is to the south or west, the east being right smack dab into Aurora Phoenicis. Any reason for settling on the 2+ arc seeing condition? Hope this helps, aj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" <mluttinen@xxxxxxxxx> To: "'AZ-Observing mailing list'" <az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: [AZ-Observing] FWHM measurements for Phoenix skies, anyone? Hello, Anyone (crazy enough) out there do enough urban imaging to get a feel for an average FWHM over Phoenix? Is it usually 2+ arcsec (or worse) or do we sometimes get below that? I am about to jump off the imaging cliff and want to know what I am in for. TYIA, Matt No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.