Beautifully said, Stan. Wait, now that I look closer, your message consists of nothing more than a huge combination of squiggly letters. Each letter is nothing more than some black dots on a white background. Nevermind. -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stan Gorodenski Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:05 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: Beautiful Universe My intent is not to criticize Keith, but I have had the opposite opinion about the universe being beautiful for some time and this is as good a time as any to raise this issue. The early philosophers and ancient astronomers looked upon the universe in a mathematical way, i.e., in an idealized abstract way. However, beauty is totally a matter of one's perspective. We like to think of the human body as beautiful, but as we magnify it to the cellular level we find cells that make up the human body composed of snotty clumps of this or that cellular material. Very ugly in another perspective. As we get to an even smaller and smaller scale, even to the subatomic level, things are not nice and ordered. Instead they are a hodge podge of irregular pieces of this or that that can only be described in statistical and probabilistic ways. They generally do not follow nice mathematical formulations. As we get to a larger scale some of the astronomical objects we see we perceive as being beautiful, but again it is only in the eyes of the beholder. Even on a larger scale objects are composed of irregular pieces of this or that. Even space itself is not uniform but again is composed of inconsistent fields of differing types and strengths, subatomic particles, etc. Yes, we like to think the Universe is beautiful, but this is strictly a human perspective. In reality it is a _mess_ and not that beautiful at all. Only man's _abstract_ mathematical laws and concepts that define the universe in overall general terms without getting into the nitty gritty of trying to model the irregular appearance of, for example, the Orion nebula, are beautiful. Stan Keith Schlottman wrote: >I just received the 2008 edition of Sky & Telescope's "Beautiful Universe". >The book is full of eye candy for those of us who enjoy this amazing and >awesome universe that we live in, and it highlights the works of the world's >best astrophotographers. > >One of the imagers is Tucson's own Dean Salman - his work covers four full >pages of the book! > >Congratulations to Dean. > >I highly recommend picking up a copy. > > > >Keith Schlottman > > > >-- >See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please >send personal replies to the author, not the list. > > > > > -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.