G'day, I won't bother with intro's etc, I am sure more than enough of you are familiar with me that the ones who aren't have someone to ask if necessary. I think the popular opinion is close to "I'm the grumpy bastard in the corner, who crawls up everyone's nostril and plucks the contents". Anyway... I try and stay offlist as much as possible as my mission is aided by not participating in popular chat. In this particular case, as was another recent one on another list, our craft is in mention. Tonight we had a strange thingo. Me, I saw "Next Sydney City meeting" on the ASTC newsletter and went "YAY! Another meeting at last!". Then, at the 12th hour, I get filled in on what is where and why, and get shown replications of the on-here's <non genitive please>. First, if we get 5 people to a meeting (inc the president who had to open), it's time to say "What are we bothering for?" I know we have more members than that and was terribly disappointed to see such a dismal turn-up. If it turns out that it was mainly because, unlike me, they knew what was to go down, I can understand that. I really don't think this is the case, and if you don't put in, you get nothing out. Second, if the agenda for the meeting had been set, as was quite clear, why was this not published? Normally we have "Guest Speaker: John McGhie explains exactly why Word sucks chronically". This time, Meeting On! Hmmm. Now, the meeting. First, as usual, I am just hopeless at convention. Mr Bean caught me brown-paper-bagging outside whilst we both bushfired. Then pre meet I chatted to Janet (mostly re my wife), then chatted to Brian and didn't pay much attention to the politics. Then, the other three sorta decided that it twas time to get into it. The first thing that struck me was Brian really knows his stuff about educational frameworks. I mean I actually knew what he was talking about, having had recent experience in exactly the areas he discussed. He framed it beautifully in our context and it was quite impressive, as his missives here have shown. The second thing that struck me was that all Brian was interested in and could see was an educational framework... I was under instructions to keep my cool and let Alan do the talking. It didn't quite work that way, but Al and I were literally seeing eye to eye on this one. So, before I present my incredibly biased view, we can say that the nitrous hand being played was: Janet was trying hard to be neutral which meant backing Brian's floor majority to have the argument heard. Beany is an intellectual dude who aint been through the westies grill and so was offering support for the concept of quantification and qualification (non educational sense) from his Q bkground. Al was a last minute drag in when he discovered, as the recently denigrated presenter of a group effort inadvertently triggering this flow of events, that the presence of those that mattered couldn't be assured. He most firmly stands against quals and quants as part of the MONTHS of work that MANY Westies whacked into this and was expecting a far worse situation that we had (only 5 of us). Brian is extremely experienced in quals and quants. Steve used to be on the side of quals and quants until numerous discussions with the Westies thrashed it to death! He found much personal amusement in seeing Beany and Brian necrophically assaulting the same old corpulsecent quadrepedal mount. Glossing over debating styles and personal differences, there were some major problems with the proposed agenda, which was never passed for approval, and input into it was neither sought nor gained. At best, one could say it was biased towards a result that saw our skills evaluated in a Q&Q manner for approval. Step 1 - find a scribe. Well, we pulled out a tape recorder. Step 2 - Agree what we are talking about First, as I had already discovered with my chat with Brian, there are a number of extremely precise terms that cover the gamut of meaning we loosely ascribe to accreditation. By the meetings end we had loosely determined, as an unofficial poll, that what we NEED now is something inbetween licensing and membership. To give the two extreme examples... I am a member of ASTC. I am better than than the Non-ASTC member. I passed no exam, just payed (sic) my money. I am a licensed Technical Writer. By hiring a non-licensed technical writer to do the job exposes the client to legal challenges. (Think car mechanics, medicos etc) As has been previously thrashed many times, tech writers cover any extremely broad spectrum of capabilities. Trying to Q&Q this will cost. It will cost regularly. This means that members have to pay good money for... What exactly. Like any good tech writer, examine the audience first yeah? There are two major stakeholders in this. The employer and the technical writer. Whilst the value chain contains many more players, it is only those players influence upon these two stakeholders that matter. Extreme example: Does Joe Blow purchase My Unique Word Processor over Another Word Processor purely because it has on the cover "Documentation prepared by a Qualified Good Tech Writer Dude!" Whilst Q&Q would be an ideal end for TW cert, it is by no means of any value today. What we need is some sort of mark on our foreheads to show the Cain't do's from the Ables. From the Westies, we more or less have these criteria: * Is every person you know as at least a reasonable tech writer able to pass the litmus test and does the test allow for all the other sorts of technical writers you know about? * Is it simple, repeatable and addressable? * Does it provide real value for the employer? If, over time, we build this brand, then yes, licensing and the attendant fees start to become a real possibility. Licensed members should enjoy more frequent work and or higher rates. At that point, the fees don't matter, right? This is what was penned as outcomes on the final, despite us never really being allowed to address it. Point 4 was how will we measure this outcomes and the simple answer is "a, we don't care right now and b, greater membership and employment thereof" Point 5 was the methods we use to setup and run the system. Despite recent allegations, the Westies have offered a means of moving from now to then. Implementation some would say. Peer recognition based upon a period of acquaintance and surface examination of some sample output materials accompanied by an oral examination about the materials. This requires no set-up cost. Additionally, if we add the final level of journeymen, we can start to discuss standardisation which will lead to qualifications and certifications, which then allow us to discuss accreditation proper. When we propose models, there are some key characteristics that immediately identify the model as unsuitable for current practice. The most obvious one goes "Employers arent allowed to". We simply don't have the pull. Another one goes "We have to pay lots of money to ...". Shaboom. However, what we don't want is a system where Jane the Greengrocer is able to become Jane The Technical Writer because Her Friend said so. That is, we must also be able to strike people off the list of "able to certify". This system costs very little to implement and maintain, and initial friction can be avoided by saying stuff like any ABN of a body that supports technical writers able to raise an initial quorum of 30 to vote in 5 initial Masters of their can claim Fellowship of the Ring of Technical Writers Yeah Baby. Essentially, as part of my Westies assignment into the history and future of technical writing, not even dreamt about tonight of course, I had already suggested a guild based model. To be fair, I have far too much fantasy RPG experience to ever think of much else. It's a good system. Apprentices, Fellows, Senior Fellows, Masters, Journeymen. We covered it several times tonight and everyone seemed more or less happy with it. Besides, I think our core competencies will be drastically altering in 10 years and so assessing such now is all but pointless. Its peer recognition: has someone else seen your stuff, familiar with you and the way you work, and say its kinda cool. It's a basis to start. Over years, we can get employers to recognise that when they hire a FRTWYB dude, he is always a competent TW, and the FRTWYB acro gets good brand value. Then you can charge and provide Value Added Services like accreditation. All that takes if for ASTC(NSW) to agree to keep a registrar of names and those people to maintain a current contact with the ASTC(NSW) through its prescribed communication channels. Peering is also possible with comms channels. We could start it tomorrow. All we need is 30 tech writers in one room... Q&Q was positively shown to be impossible (cost, time, resources, diversity). This negates accreditation and instead, a peer-based low-cost 'licensing' system would still appear to be the best model, as per initial guild models. 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