[audio-pals] Re: Amazon
- From: Thomas McMahan <thomas.mcmahan@xxxxxxx>
- To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 22:07:57 -0500
NFB was instrumental in Micro Soft’s decision not to develop Narrator farther,
they were thinking about doing it, and NFB convinced them it wasn’t so
necessary, well it turns out that NFB had gotten a lot of money from Freedom
Scientific, need anymore be said? Or as a few of us call them Scientific
Slavery.
Wouldn’t be the first time NFB barked up the wrong tree, and they are probably
doing it because they either got some funding from Google which owns Android,
or they want to shake Apple down, doing the Jessie Jackson thing. That
wouldn’t be a first time either. Hopefully Apple will generally ignore them
and just keep doing as they do, they generally seem to do okay for the most
part. I don’t want a Jaws lite on my Mac, and I don’t want my phone to act
like an Android phone, it’s an Apple product, so it should continue to be such.
NFB tried to drop crap on Apple when Voice Over first came out, but as usual
they were comparing their orange Jaws to Apple’s Voice over. They are
different, their basic concepts are different. We don’t need special scripts
for Voice over to do stuff for us, if we do it is literally then done in Apple
Script the same Apple Script that sighted people use to have stuff done on
their machines too. Nothing special then. Instead of blasting Apple, how
about NFB handing some money over to the people who develop NVDA to help their
development. They could probably use the money, and they would likely listen
to NFB a little more than Apple will, because Apple listens more to it’s own
developer pool than outsiders.
On Jul 13, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have decided I am going to go through the AppleVis podcast Basic Tutorials
> and have the wireless keyboard sitting with me at the table so that way I can
> perform the action being talked about as we go. I was trying it with
> listening to the podcast and then goingto the computer, but that just wasn’t
> working out for me.
> I played with my dad’s Android for about 5 minutes earlier today after church
> and then handed it back to him informing both my dad and mom that if Amanda
> cannot answer the question then they are on their own. I am sure Talk Back
> was and perhaps if I knew more about it a good thing at one time, but now
> since I have been exposed to the Apple Voiceover on the phones the Android
> Talk Back seems quite inferior.
> I seen some discussion on MacVisionaries where NFB is revving up at
> Apple. I am on the fence being that I do not know what the entire resolution
> deals with and I did not have time to click on the link that one person
> provided. In my opinion NFB is going after the wrong entity, instead of going
> after Apple who provides a number of accessible apps and a phenomenal
> voiceover feature out of the box they should be going toward Android
> manufacturers to get them up-to-date with Apple devices.
>
> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:26 AM
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Amazon
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> Oh. One of those kinds of places huh? Great. Well in the apple world there
> often are three or more ways to accomplish something because of different
> people with different needs. Also weird things just do occur, such as lately
> with flash player update with laptop machines where users literally have to
> use the trackpad can’t key their way over to actually get it to do the
> update, so if the auto update fails for whatever reason the user has to
> literally disable the cursor tracking and use the track pad. Not sure if
> they have to turn voice over off or not though. But flash is garbage as far
> as I’m concerned anyway, it is the definition of a necessary evil. I will be
> very happy I think when html5 takes over and that is the direction Apple is
> looking and the linux world has already been looking that direction simply
> for the better security. Another thing which could easily become extinct
> when html5 takes over is those wonderful captchas. Which I put in the
> definition of an unnecessary evil *lol*.
>
> I figure if a person posts to a list wanting help, it’s because they actually
> need it, so may as well answer it and go on, because perhaps there is another
> problem going on as to why the standard answer doesn’t work.
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> It sure isn’t a reason for a mod or list owner to get his or her undies in a
> twist thats for sure. Again there are much more important things in life to
> deal with and appreciate as far as I’m concerned. Maybe thats being arrogant
> though *lol*.
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> On Jul 13, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Everyone on the group is learning and everyone should know that the people
> are doing their best when they give information to others regarding the help
> they are seeking. Instead of just letting the problem work itself out, from
> time to time he gets on a rant about how people do not need to post unless
> they are giving out correct information. That would discourage many from
> posting in fear that the information they give may be wrong, but they are on
> the fence about it thinking that they know the answer. However, Since they
> are on the fence even though their answer may be correct the question may go
> unanswered. Some times when I ask my questions I purposely ask for both
> subjective and objective responses to try and combat this approach. I could
> understand it if someone was intentionally providing false information on a
> continuous basis, but you know. I never realized he was the person behind
> Blindcooltech.
> Amanda has said that I act arrogant from time to time when I am
> talking to people, but I do not necessarily notice it, maybe sarcastic, but I
> do not think it is arrogance. However, I guess that is a fine line that gets
> treaded when talking about sarcasm and arrogance.
>
> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 9:28 PM
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Amazon
>
> Well he had a poor mix between his bold intro, and then the discussion of the
> particular podcast. He should have used a more toned down intro I think
> because compared to the given podcast he sounded tired.
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> Actually as a person generally he is okay, but like all of us I guess he has
> his moments. He did moderate the blind cool tech e-mail list, maybe that is
> what made him tired *lol*. He wound up with his hands full with that list.
>
> I joined the blind apple group, but it is already shunted into it’s own box
> and I haven’t gone and read any of it yet.
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> Guess if he turns up arrogant if I can’t humble that I will probably
> eventually leave because I really don’t want to waste my time with folks like
> that, to many other things in life to take care of that are a lot harder
> decisions. Maybe that’s arrogant on my part. I’ve been accused of being
> that way before by one person, but that person has no credibility with me as
> far as I’m concerned. That particular person’s record speaks loudly for
> itself.
> On Jul 12, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I am not a big fan of the Rickster, he seems a bit arrogant on his e-mail
> groups. I have visited his website a time or two though. He may be an alright
> guy, but first impressions go along way with me.
> I wonder why he wouldn’t have paused the recording and come back when he
> regained composure.
> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 12:23 PM
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Amazon
>
> I know of The Rickster-Rickster-Rickster-Rickster-Rickster. Yes he called
> himself that on one of his blind cool tech podcasts in his canned intro.
> hyped up the upcoming podcast with a fancy intro then when he started talking
> in it it sounded like he was exhausted. But I am subscribed to his blind
> geek zone podcast. Guess I didn’t explore the website enough to find the
> group. But guess I’m covered since I have a phone and a couple of macs. I
> can even talk vintage or retro macs since we do have a working G4 Mac here
> across the room from me *lol*. Those G3s and G4s internally were built like
> little tanks, they just keep on going. Not as frail as the Intell chips they
> use now.
> On Jul 12, 2014, at 6:50 AM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Here is the unsub info. This list is run by a guy named Rick Harmon. He has a
> moderator by the name of Alan Robbins I believe is Al’s last name.
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> blindapples-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 7:28 PM
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Amazon
>
> Even if you have to copy the unsub info from the footer that would work, I
> can edit that to subscribe easy enough.
>
> On Jul 11, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> It is a Yahoo group. I will try and track down the subscribe information for
> you.
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> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 12:00 PM
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Amazon
>
> What is blind apples?
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> On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I have sent a message to Blind Apples and MacVisionaries.
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> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 11:44 AM
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Amazon
>
> Unfortunately my Mac devices are phone and computer. Have never dealt with
> an i-pad in any way. Might be a question to ask over on Visionaries though,
> bet a bunch of them have them.
> On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Do any of you all use Amazon? We just purchased a new iPad last night. Amanda
> was debating between the Kindle or iPad so we settled on an iPad with the
> Kindle Application for IOS. She wants to get her textbooks to read through
> the app, but we have never done this so if anyone has used it then any
> feedback would be great. Additionally, we found that the iPad does not come
> with a voice recorder, but again she is wanting to use it for school. So, do
> any of you all know of a good recorder for the IOS device?
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