[audacity4blind] Re: Labels
- From: Thomas Byskov Dalgaard <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 18:39:28 +0100
Hi!
If I should do this myself I would use Amadeus Pro on the Mac or Goldwave on
Windows since I already have bought those earlier.
In Amadeus and Goldwave I can make a marker when the track is changing and the
export sounds a lot easier.
I still don’t get the idea about labels in Audacity. I really hope labels one
day would be changed to a standard way of doing markers that could be stored in
wave-files so the user could do edits inside any editor that supports this
function.
It is a little sad to see that editors are trying to find their own ways of
doing things instead of making some standards so users can use almost any
software without having to change too much in their workflow.
For example: If I got a Zoomrecorder I could make a podcast and make markers
while recording and the editing process would be speeded up since I don’t need
to listen to the entire podcast again after recording it. I can just jump from
marker to marker inside the wave-file.
Since labels aren't accessible on the Mac I have to stick with other software
for now, if I still want to continue doing a workflow like what I described
above.
I believe there are reasons for not making any standard approach, but I hope
then there one day will be some kind of workaround.
Best regards
Thomas
> Den 07/12/2014 kl. 07.17 skrev Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> What could help is listening to my presentation for Accessible World on the
> basics of Audacity. You are doing this in a very convoluted way. If you
> listen to my presentation, you will see explained a much more simple way to
> edit. To listen to the presentation, go to:
> http://www.accessibleworld.org <http://www.accessibleworld.org/>
> and use the search form on the page to search for the word Audacity. You
> will see my presentation in the results.
> If you want to learn more about using a method such as what you are using,
> that will be your decision. But you can't decide without knowing another
> alternative which I consider far superior for what you are trying to do.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Campbell <mailto:campg2003@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 11:45 PM
> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Labels
>
> This morning I decided it was time to try to do something with the
> cassettes I copied. Most of them are buried in the garage, and I've
> been guarding the Emerson boombox I inherited from my folks, the only
> machine I have that will play stereo cassettes - guarding it from
> meeting the fate that all of the kids' other boomboxes have met! So I
> transferred side one of Bridge over Troubled Water and started to work
> on it. I ran Analyze > Sound Finder and started to deal with the labels.
>
> I went to the label track and tabbed. I used the JAWS script keys to
> read the start and end times, skipping short times as misfires.
>
> So now I have a label that covers several minutes, so I move to the
> audio track and SPACE. I use c to see what's on either side of the
> region and hear that the label doesn't cover the whole song.
>
> Then I wanted to leave the region selected, move back a few seconds,
> play to the start of the song, set the left end of the region, move to
> the end of the region, play after the region to the end of the song and
> set the right end of the region-- then to transfer the settings of the
> region to the label. What I did was move to the start of the region,
> play to the start of the song and mark it, read the number and remember
> it, ALT+t,e, find the label (by start and stop time, or sometimes I
> entered the song name in the label track), close the label editor and
> refind the start of the song because I forgot a couple of digits of the
> time, go back into the editor, find the label, and set the start time.
> Then do the same at the end of the region, go back to the editor and set
> the end time. Then space to see how the start time was, and c to see if
> it got it all. Just a little blerp in the middle of the c playback.
> The beginning or the end? Go to the selection bar and start playing
> with the start and end times until the blerp went away. Then remember
> the start and end times, go to the label editor, find the label, set the
> times-- was it 604 or was that from the last one? Close the editor and
> check the start. Rightarrow to move to the end of the selection and
> check it. Then on to the next one.
>
> So what could help? Not quite sure. I have your patched Audacity
> running as I write this, and I think the transfer should be done, so I'm
> going for side 2. I think a keystroke that would transfer the current
> region to the currently selected label would help. There isn't any
> keyboard support for those things you can do by dragging those circles
> and triangles around. Not sure how to do them with a keyboard.
>
> Maybe in the label editor if when you aren't editing a field maybe
> space, c, and such could act like in the track view.
>
> BTW: I notice in the patched version that the track view identifies as a
> list box instead of -- was it track table? Oh, but it now gives
> position info-- ..." 1 of 2", nice.
>
> Forget Sound Finder, faster to do it manually!
>
> Okay, on the label track pressing SayLine says
>
> track 2 label track , edit on select on <Bye Bye Love> 2 of 2
>
> Pressing TAB doesn't voice the next label, but SayLine does, except that
> I have to refresh JAWS for it to notice the change.
>
> On the audio track it says
>
> Garfunkel_s2 select on, stereo 1 of 2
>
> Hey!! Why is my left channel cutting out!!! It's a brand new cable!
> Going to have to do it over! Maybe I can save the labels. Some in EVERY
> SONG!!!
>
> Interesting. I have a label selected, then I move to audio track, press
> home, selection bar shows start and end at 0s. Back to label track,
> refresh, sayline, JAWS still says the label, and when I find the label
> with the JAWS cursor it's still white.
>
> The label editor opens on the selected label!
>
> I think it improved the experience!
>
> Thanks for your work on this!
>
> Gary
>
> On 12/2/2014 8:09 PM, Gary Campbell wrote:
> > In the Verbosity Settings of the Settings Center "Control
> > Descriptions" is not checked. I don't know what this is, but I have
> > an uneasy feeling that it is not the MSAA (IAccessible) description
> > attribute. I'm not sure why I feel that way-- maybe I saw it before
> > the time that MSAA stuff was well-integrated with the info gotten from
> > the Windows API. There is another thing called Control Attributes
> > that I think derives from the Windows API and somehow I feel like they
> > are from the same time frame. I wish the description of the output
> > type in the manual were better. This may just be deep-seated paranoya
> > that comes from working in Murphy space (a kind of space often found
> > in R&D labs in which Murphy's laws predominate, and in fact are
> > greatly extended :-)).
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On 12/2/2014 2:51 AM, David Bailes wrote:
> >> Hi Robert,
> >>
> >> I'm puzzled about your experience of Jaws reading the description by
> >> default. I had a look around Jaws's verbosity settings and found the
> >> item "Control description" in a list of things to be spoken. This
> >> does control the description we are talking about. However, for all
> >> of beginner, intermediate, and advanced verbosity settings, "control
> >> description" is not checked by default.
> >>
> >> Could another user of Jaws who is familiar with it's verbosity
> >> settings confirm this is the case?
> >>
> >> David.
> >>
> >> On Monday, 1 December 2014, 16:16, Robert Hänggi
> >> <aarjay.robert@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:aarjay.robert@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-12-01 12:31 GMT+01:00, David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> <mailto:david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>>:
> >>> Hi Robert,
> >>> just to comment on moving some of the extra info from helptext to
> >>> description. Jaws and Window-eyes don't automatically read out the
> >>> description - in fact I don't know how to get them to read out the
> >>> description. If you want the extra information to be automatically
> >>> read out,
> >>> I think you'd have to include it in the name,
> >>>
> >>> David.
> >>>
> >> I just tested with Jaws 16.0.
> >> It reads the description correctly and automatically and with the
> >> factory settings.
> >> I cannot say what windowEyes does since I never used it.
> >> Supernova reads the whole content of the track panel inclusive time
> >> and range (e.g. -1 to 1).However, it allows scripting as well.
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
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